Just making the tenous link sorry if it is to much for you to grasp.

dirtyrider – Member
whats rooneys wages got to do with anything? it doesnt say hes broke

He earned a friggin fortune as well. If he’s skelped it on coke, booze and his hangers on he deserves the gutter.

I know football has helped him before but a weeks wages of Rooney would put him back in rehab with change to spare.

You can pay for him to go into rehab a hundred times and he’ll still come out of it an alcoholic unless he genuinely wants to go and is prepared to make the changes that he needs to once he comes out.

Always good to see a bit of compassion. Well done seosamh77.

Whippersnappers, got no idea!

I believe..(someone who cares more could google it) that at some point in your 40’s the primary risk of death changes from rta/suicide to the usual “natural” causes of death, heart disease,cancers etc and chance of those increases year on year until your 80 or so.

Anyway moving on from that joyful note, I got a load of pleasure from watching Gazza a real talent, unfortunatly like many exceptional people that talent seems to come a cost.

All the best to him.

So sad. I would think the fact that he has/had access to money is why he is still alive frankly, with that level of drinking problem. People I knew in my youth with those kind of serious issues aren’t around any more.

Gazza has mental health issues that were swept under the carpet as long as he kept performing even when at Rangers his behavoir was just dismissed or ignored. He was and still is unable to cope with what his talent put in front of him and the sycophantic parasites that were around him. Seosamh77 – out of order.

He earned a friggin fortune as well. If he’s skelped it on coke, booze and his hangers on he deserves the gutter.

I do hope you never suffer a mental illness or alcoholism.

Sad to see, it amazing to see the different path’s players take “after football”.

Sad to see, it amazing to see the different path’s players take “after football”.

Yep… Gazza is almost as sad a case as this man…

stevenmenmuir – Member
Always good to see a bit of compassion. Well done seosamh77.

The guy gets compassion thrown at him left, right and centre, maybe getting told sink of swim and take a bit of responsibility for yourself is exactly what he needs.

Compassion certainly isn’t helping him.

maybe getting told sink of swim and take a bit of responsibility for yourself is exactly what he needs

Do you not think someone, somewhere has already tried that method? You aren’t trying to help him, you simply don’t have the ability to understand what has happened to him.

johndoh – Member
maybe getting told sink of swim and take a bit of responsibility for yourself is exactly what he needs

Do you not think someone, somewhere has already tried that method? You aren’t trying to help him, you simply don’t have the ability to understand what has happened to him.I do, his football career has finished and he has no imagination about what to do post football, bar drink and party.

The guy should get a job or something, that’d help him more than anything..

The guy should get a job or something, that’d help him more than anything..

http://www.podvolunteer.org/

http://www.vso.org.uk/

No access to alcohol and the kids in a lot of these countries love football so he could raise their moral hugely, and they could help him…

Yup a clueless individual.

Come do a weekend at work with me or a few days at work with my CPN brother. See how difficult it is for these people. Sadly the normal way out for them is when they die a slow and painful death alone.

it really doesnt help that he’s always been a big kid trapped in an adult’s body…..

check out the comedy bit from about 30 second in this vid- here’s him in better times, I think its genius!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsYI5IF5QU[/video]

Drac – Moderator
Yup a clueless individual.

Come do a weekend at work with me or a few days at work with my CPN brother. See how difficult it is for these people. Sadly the normal way out for them is when they die a slow and painful death alone.I know how difficult it is, my aunt is bo-polar and that’s her major problem aswell, nothing else in her life bar sitting about letting her imagination and self pity be the over-riding aspect of her life.

I sound harsh, I know, I don’t really intend to, but I really don’t think compassion will help Gazza in the slightest. My Da does it for my aunt and it really doesn’t help her. Just gives him alot of stress in being responsible for her existance.

I know how difficult it is, my aunt is bo-polar and that’s her major problem aswell, nothing else in her life bar sitting about letting her imagination and self pity be the over-riding aspect of her life.

Yet you think that he has issues that ‘getting a job’ would solve? In that case you are even less able to understand illness than I first thought.

Edit: And do you not think that possibly your auntie would be in a worse place if it wasn’t for the compassion that some around her are better able to give than you are?

johndoh – Member
I know how difficult it is, my aunt is bo-polar and that’s her major problem aswell, nothing else in her life bar sitting about letting her imagination and self pity be the over-riding aspect of her life.

Yet you think that he has issues that ‘getting a job’ would solve? In that case you are even less able to understand illness than I first thought.
Edit: And do you not think that possibly your auntie would be in a worse place if it wasn’t for the compassion that some around her are better able to give than you are?Get a job, doesn’t mean get a job in a factory. It simply means, get something worthwhile in his life whether that’s paid or voluntary. He badly needs it, as does my aunt.

Get a job, doesn’t mean get a job in a factory. It simply means, get something worthwhile in his life whether that’s paid or voluntary. He badly needs it, as does my aunt.

Which is your opinion. Why do you think working will help your auntie or Gasgoine?

It certainly didn’t help my auntie who drank herself to death despite working full time until illness put her into hospital.

johndoh – Member
Which is your opinion. Why do you think working will help your auntie or Gasgoine?
It certainly didn’t help my auntie who drank herself to death despite working full time until illness put her into hospital.

Of course it’s only my opinion, as is yours.

To break the cycle of self pity, it alone won’t be the solution, but it’s a start, and in both these instances strikes me as a big gapping hole.

Sorry for your aunt, obviously not everyone is the same.

What’s the compassionate solution? 6000 quid a week clinics that have a record of not helping him in the slightest?

I think you are beyond help as much as Gasgoine appears to be. It’s very sad really.

johndoh – Member
I think you are beyond help as much as Gasgoine appears to be. It’s very sad really.

I don’t think he’s beyond help at all.

He does voluntary work

I don’t think he’s beyond help at all.

Ohh no, of course, he just needs to get a job.

Genius.

🙄

Drac – Moderator
He does voluntary work

like?

johndoh – Member
I don’t think he’s beyond help at all.

Ohh no, of course, he just needs to get a job.
Genius.I’m not the genius that can’t extrapolate what I’m inferring.

what’s your solution? beyond stating he’s beyond help…

For some people, sadly, there is no solution. Most talented footballer I ever saw, no doubt about it.

what’s your solution? beyond stating he’s beyond help…

I haven’t got the solution but I am pretty confident that getting a job isn’t it either.

So everybody with mental illness should just mtfu and get a job?

I know how difficult it is, my aunt is bo-polar and that’s her major problem aswell, nothing else in her life bar sitting about letting her imagination and self pity be the over-riding aspect of her life.

I sound harsh, I know, I don’t really intend to, but I really don’t think compassion will help Gazza in the slightest. My Da does it for my aunt and it really doesn’t help her. Just gives him alot of stress in being responsible for her existance.

I thought I was pretty cold hearted and cynical, but this is a whole new level entirely. I hope you never encounter any misfortune in life or ever find yourself without an answer for your problems.

cooie – Member
So everybody with mental illness should just mtfu and get a job?

Only an idiot would extrapolate to that conclusion.

Well done seosamh7 – you have managed to contrive the discussion enough to get ‘extrapolate’ into the conversation (twice). We’re all pretty impressed down here, I can tell you.

Gazza getting a job may well be the solution, but it only part and it will be a long way down a path of care and rehabilitation.

He has an addiction and what are clearly severe mental health issues. They need to be treated, then he might get a job, but as what? He can’t exactly work in Tesco because he is Gazza, and he always will be and he will always have to deal with being famous, and he seems ill equipped to do so.

You don’t treat someone in this situation with “tough love”. You do not treat bi-polar with the same. Severe mental illness is crippling. It is beyond getting a grip and it requires specialist intervention. Part of that, provided by specialist carers might be robust when it needs to be, but it is not a case of being “robust” all the time.

You can no more “pull it together” than you can pick yourself up off ground at the Fort William downhill with two broken legs.

BoardinBob – Member
I know how difficult it is, my aunt is bo-polar and that’s her major problem aswell, nothing else in her life bar sitting about letting her imagination and self pity be the over-riding aspect of her life.
I sound harsh, I know, I don’t really intend to, but I really don’t think compassion will help Gazza in the slightest. My Da does it for my aunt and it really doesn’t help her. Just gives him alot of stress in being responsible for her existance.
I thought I was pretty cold hearted and cynical, but this is a whole new level entirely. I hope you never encounter any misfortune in life or ever find yourself without an answer for your problems.

mon to buggery, it’s not rocket science.

Case 1: Gazza, football career ends and he goes off the rails. I wonder would could possibly be up there, perhaps the football career left a big gapping hole that needs replacing and not with drink and drugs.

Case 2: My Aunt, lived life too close to my Granny and too reliant on her, my granny died(god rest her) and then she goes further of the rails. I wonder what could possibly be up there, big gapping hole that needs replaced with something else possibly?

I’m not saying these things will solve the medical issues, but something worthwhile would go some way to curtailing self destructive tendencies.

Anyhow, I’ll leave that at that. Youse are all obviously too concerned with writing him off as beyond help. 1,2,3 aw poor Gazza, he’ll be deid soon…

Excellent trollage. 10/10.

I don’t think he is being written off by people on here. I think most if not all excluding you feel it to be a tragic situation and that he needs real help.

I suspect left to you he would be hosed down with cold water and his head shaved for having a weakness of the soul.

and a thought – if your aunt is bi-polar which is with someone for life and is debillitating then that might be why she was so reliant – it’s not like fukkin thrush.

Gazza used to drink pretty heavily whilst playing football as did George Best. They continued to do so afterwards and to a greater extent. I don’t believe either drank because they were a bit bored. They drank because they were alcoholics. Some manage to beat it others unfortunately don’t. I personally think that if gazza gets some help and gets off the booze then a role like the one offered to him by Harry Redknapp may help him stay off it.

Football is not the cause of his problems. In one way it slowed down the inevitable due to having to perform week in week out with others to look out for him. In another way the money he gained sped up the process after the football was gone. He would have had same problems regardless of the football career and I doubt he would have had so many chances of rehabilitation without it.