so a alu frame with carbon fibre seat stays is there any safe and relaible way of attaching pannier racks to the frame?
Frame is a whyte 19 race,

Suggest a Topeak beam rack would be worth looking at.

What fork do you have? You could try a front mounted rack.

I have the 19 steel and use one of the bolt holes from the adjustable dropout as the bottom mounting point for a rack. I then use one of those seat collar things with mounting points for a rack to attach the top mounts . I’ve filled out the seat clamp collar so it fits around the frame and I can still run my QR seat clamp.

I don’t think there is a safe and reliable way of doing this. Big saddle bag or a rucksack. Buy a hack bike.

I once had a rack that clamped on to the seat post alone, think it could take 10/15 KG, would that not do the job?

thanks for the suggestions, the frame was bought as a training bike for racing but is such a good ride that daughter wants it morphing into a long distance tourer for the summer hence the rack BUT it does have fox floats with canti studs still on there……would that work with 20 lts panniers on the front, handle bar bag and bag on on seat post?

Topeak Beam Rack….

http://www.topeak.com/products/Racks/MTXBeamRackEX

Assuming you have a seatpost with 60mm exposed…

I have a similar model on a hack and it works well.

PaulD

Tubus make adapters to allow a rack to be mounted to the axle:

Tubus Quick Release Adapter

As posted above, there are various solutions to attach the top mounts to your seat post, e.g.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/tubus-clamp-set-for-seat-stay-mounting/

or

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mpart-single-bolt-seat-post-clamp-with-rack-mount/

If its for touring then thats more weight than I’d like to put on a beam rack, and a lot of beam racks don’t have good side support for panniers, you can only really sit a bag on top. I’d go for a two-wheel trailer (carryfreedom or similar) and an ortleib rack pack, puts very little strain on the frame, gives you the same packing volume but all in one space so you can pack more efficiently and you don’t have to worry about balancing the load.

A lot of people like to mate mountain bikes with a 1 wheel trailer like a BOB but you loose a lot of the trailer benefits with a 1-wheeler. Two wheels are better unless you are travelling off-road.

Ignore the ‘there is no safe way to do this’ nonsense…..

Buy a Topeak disc rack – it replaces you qr so non of the weight is on the frame at all. No more expensive than any other descent rack either.

Brilliant rack and it clears your disc brake too. Works on a full carbon s-works so you’ll be fine.

RIK does that rack need eyelets?
seen KCR seat clamp idea……………

No eyeless needed.

Extra long qr skewer in the box for the drop out attachment then for the top either a rack mount seat collar (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mpart-single-bolt-seat-post-clamp-with-rack-mount/) or a big p clip round your seatpost.
I personally use a plumbing plastic drain clip round the seatpost but works the same with either of the above.

Perhaps one of these – http://bearbonesbikepacking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/freeload-rack-review.html either on the front or back.

It might be worth looking at a Carradice saddle bag and SQR seat post mount? it will be more expensive than panniers and a rack but I much prefer my saddlebag to panniers, the saddlebag can be removed in seconds and the seat post mount is quite minimal as seen in the image below.

Luckily there’s a STW thread on them for more info
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/large-saddlebags-any-good

Freeloader racks look ace but the price tag is monumentally high for what you actually get.

Get a cheap hack bike.

How much weight will you be carrying?

Seatpost panniers are available.

Whch Rac, Rik?

I thought you’d discovered a new product, it’s not on their website as far as I can see tho…

hi a cheap hack bike is not really an option as we can get panniers and so on for cheaper plus she likes the bike…..will be useed on summer trips to balkans and into poland so might as well kit it our properly.

My apologies it’s Blackburn not Topeak. Still ace though….Blackburn EX1 Disc

http://www.cyclebasket.com/m5b0s144p2367/BLACKBURN_EX1_Disc_Compatible_Pannier_Rack_

Cheap as chips from here too.

Good product, cheers.

If you’re in Essex I have a Topeak pannier rack that you can have. It came with my bike but I’m never going to use it …..

i used a set of p clips on the seat stays and a seat clamp with pannier threads on them.

worked for the last 5 years on a pearson carbon road bike