I don't think it looks to bad, as Road Bikes go, don't quite get why there is such negativity on here towards the brand, it's a Brit brand after all, rider owned, none corporate, where's the beef?
Better Orange than some warmed over CRC knock off or French crap that breaks or pseudo yank stuff with 36% warranty failure, wtf have they done to piss everyone off so?
Or is it simply the green eye that they are a bit successful, I'm sorry, I like Orange, they're O.K. never owned one, but then no-one ever tried to sell me one. I'd certainly ride that if I had to ride a road bike and there was nothing else interesting to do like sticking needles in my eyes.
Quality, a bit of profile stalking! Nice way to end the weekend.
Thats what the profile button's there for innit!?
S'pose it is, aye. I'm away to do a lap of Llandegla...
I think it looks kind of cool - 'tis way too expensive though. Not quite sure why it's inspiring such hatred.
It is a [i]terrible[/i] name though.
Chuckles stick io to them fella - just challenge them to a race - not downhill you do maths and stuff so you understand about mass and gravity
He was asking for it 😉
Druidh "Reminds me a bit of those "BMW" bicycles - bought by the gullible brand fanboys"
Ive ridden four different brooklyn frames now and i love them all.. A mechanic who used to fix my bike came second overall in the national 4x series on a supertherm big ben.
when i can.. I'll buy one.
Think he means this..
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In that case... Fair play 😀
I don't know where people get the idea that road bike have to have slammed stems. Here's a random picture of some roadies:
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Some stems are slammed. Some are not. Depends on (shock horror) how the bike fits them.
Here's a nice old Colnago:
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I'm sure if you go to a professional road bike fitter, he's not just going to say 'slam it down!'
It's all about the target market. The guys at Orange are not stupid, they have built a solid brand and what seems to be a sucessful company. It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess.
To my mind they have built a road bike aimed at their current customer that wants to cross over to a road bike but does not want a full on race bike.
Only time will tell if it is too expensive but a strong brand name can carry a premium when it come to pricing. Just look at the VW group, Audi and Skoda have many shared components in their same segment models but vastly different price points.
As for the look of the Carb-O? I like it but that's my personal opinion.
The amount of massive bike manufacturers that have their showing off bikes with full dura ace and bling wheels, and then have the stem 5 feet above the headtube... I don't know why they do it. Looks awful.
Really? You actually care that they have a few mm of spacers on display? Jesus I'd never have even noticed if you didn't point it out, and now you have I don't think it detracts from it. Who says "slammed" is good?
Well said Matt 24.
If it had a two grand frame then it would be a bargain.
But nobody knows what quality the frame is....
Further to the slammed stem bollox, I was trying to find a modern road bike that wasn't totally minging, and I finally found one! And look, the stem has a sensible rise and length:
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It's probably just as good as the attempts at mountain bikes by road-only manufacturers i.e. not bad, but few on here would buy one
Orange have managed to make [s]another awful looking bike[/s] a bike I don't get
If you don't like it; that's OK. I doesn't make it rubbish, though.
Funnily enough I did have a Vitamin T (mtb) and when they released it I got the Dynamo too. I still have it. It's a great road bike. Who is to say this won't be?
The Orange looks fine to me, and the price is on par with many other bikes at this level.
They should have made more. In Bright Orange
No idea if it's competitively priced or not, but I think It looks quite nice.
10x better than all the road bikes you see that have every spare inch covered by garish logos.
It looks ok really, not overly sure about the oranges on the fork, but hey ho.
More to the point, what on earth is this meant to mean?
[i]A calculated swerve between sportive and race distinctions[/i]
All road bikes look rubbish.
Looks alright to me, though it does seem overpriced for a 105 equipped bike. I'd ride one happily enough.
you're right, they've sold out already
There really are people out there who will overpay for anything.
Ribble offer the same for better money IMO.
What matt24k said. It's bang on for a uk mtber wanting to try the road. Techy road bikes is big business.
Wiggle press released last week... Cycling is the new golf... We might go PLC on the stock exchange.
Folk are happy to spend £2-3k on a Carbon bike that they like. That's a bit better than their mates, so they can go for a Sunday bimble and talk about wiggins.
You can rewrite that substituting some words with clubs and tiger woods.
Yip plus why is my bike frame £2,095? (2011 Turner 5spot ano). The mind boggles. Its nice but no way over 1k tops.
+1 Matt24k
+1 charlie the bikemonger
oh and +1 for Orange bikes too!
I'm not knocking them as a company, I think they are a successful business for a reason. I own Orange bikes and love them. However, that spec for that money is just not competitive in the current market and for that reason it appears that they are cashing in on the Fanbois who either don't know better or can afford that kind of money for a lower spec than they can get elsewhere.
I'm sure Orange will sell loads of them, and I'd ride one if someone else paid for it. But if I was spending that kind of money on a new road bike I'd be very very disappointed if I only got Shim 105.
PS, Stems need to be slammed, end of. Euro rules or go home..
There really are people out there who will overpay for anything.Ribble offer the same for better money IMO.
Except you have to wait 13 years for them to build and deliver it and the customer service is shite.
It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess.
Spot on.
and the price is on par with many other bikes at this level
Really?. Take the Giant TCR composite for example. 105 = £1300, ultegra/105 = £1500, ultegra = £1700
So how is the Orange even close to good value?
It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess
How is being shocked at the price knocking success?
They'll open price to what the market will pay.
Lets not forget that alot of hobbiest-cyclists here seem to think the more you pay the better it'll (must) be.
I bet a few potential on-one carbon customers have been put off buying a carbon456 as they think its too cheap to be safe?
However, that spec for that money is just not competitive in the current market
You could say that about their mountain bikes too though and they seem to do ok.
GlitterGary - Member
All road bikes look rubbish.
As per usual, GG sums it up.
(I like the pretty Oranges on the forks 😳 )
No knocking of orange here; it seems the the ideal road bike for an mtb'er already invested in the orange. I think some of the press gubbins from orange was quite open about their customers being happy to pay a premium for their product. I paid a silly amount of cash decking out my parlee, and is it worth it? to me yes, but to others it's still just a push bike. As a bike, it doesn't really do much for me, and objectively it does seem pricey compared to the competition. When you consider planet x are throwing some dura ace onto a carbon frame for just over £1500, you would have to be into orange.
I think some of the press gubbins from orange was quite open about their customers being happy to pay a premium for their product
That's my only problem with Orange. They have some truly loyal customers and how do they repay them?
Make them pay over the odds. Because they can.
'business in attempt to make money shock'
is this really a surprise?
alot of hobbiest-cyclists here
yeah! pfft! amateurs! 🙄
That's my only problem with Orange. They have some truly loyal customers and how do they repay them?
Make them pay over the odds. Because they can.
You reckon Orange have massively higher profit margins than other bike companies?
(I like the pretty Oranges on the forks )
I thought they were tomatoes?
Bland. Rubbish spec, incredibly overpriced. Who buys these bikes, when canyon, focus, ribble and offer better bikes for less money?
Hang on, I think you mean you can get a 105 groupset and a cheep frame from any of the above. Now't to say that the orange isn't as good as a £1900 frame only with a free groupset thrown in?
Comparing oranges to giants is not a straight comparison. Beyond price there are many other factors... With scale being a big one. Giant will sell several kazillion road bikes, orange might do 100.
So you are paying for a unique brand, exclusivity of an uncommon bike... But that's great if it's an orange exclusive frame... And I don't think it is.
I could not find a road bike I liked earlier this year. Simple brief: steel, 105, nice. I got there, just with an old stock kona honky tonk frame. Cost more than a carbon giant bike... But I really don't want carbon or a generic looking bike. Point being people will buy these because they are not planet x or giants. If they were steel they would make my shortlist.
[i]Now't to say that the orange isn't as good as a £1900 frame only with a free groupset thrown in?[/i]
Apart from Orange themselves, who admit it's a job lot bought in from a big manufacturer.
You reckon Orange have massively higher profit margins than other bike companies?
I have no idea. I do know that you can buy a five frame and build a bike to the "PRO" spec for cheaper than Orange will sell you the whole bike.
A little birdy told me what the carbon frames cost at source.
The difference is someone has the bottle and nerve to buy a minimum order (giving them a good price) then marketing them with a build kit. Fair play to them.
Scott etc etc all do it- and the price is less than £100 per frame 😯
so, the average hatchback costs ~ 7k to build.
everyone has to make a living.
how much do you think your employers put on your hourly rate?
I like way Oranges ride, but would never buy a new one (far too expensive IMHO). There will always be a second hand market for people like me.
Scott etc etc all do it- and the price is less than £100 per frame
Is it bollocks.
Is it bollocks.
Alot lower?