Need some new long-ish shorts for winter, not necessarily waterproof as I run quite warm and I think waterproof shorts would end up to be boil in the baggy. (see what I did there)

Stiff nylon moto type shorts tend to be quite good as they don’t absorb water. Any recommendations?

Was looking at the Dakine 8-Tracks on CRC which come in at £50 or so with discount code.

Oh! Be good if I could get them through CRC as I have vouchers!

Endura MT500 spray come in shorts or 3/4.

I’m a sweaty mofo and tbh, I don’t find my waterproof shorts that hot. Hotter than my normal lightweight shorts (and unvented), but I don’t think any heavier than heavyweight nonwaterproof shorts

Gunna ignore most of your post and say Altura Attack 3/4’s, yes they’re warm but that what you want from a winter short isn’t it? Only ever found them sweaty in summer, happy to wear them over lycra longs during the really cold months.

Altura Sheild? Breathable front / waterproof bum.

Royal Turbulence shorts are good for wet-ish riding if you can get them discounted, not worth the RRP of £90-odd though.

Sorry for the thread hijack but how do the MT500 3/4’s work with knee pads?

And to answer the OP, I don’t know as I’ve got Madison Addicts and normal MT500’s but there both a little short (not to short) if I’m honest 😀

i bought some TLD Moto shorts recently for the very same reason. have not worn them yet but they look & feel pretty bomb proof!

Altura Attack 3/4. One of my best bike related purchases 🙂 I dont find them hot at all.

http://www.goreapparel.co.uk/gore-bike-wear-alp-x-windstopper-soft-shell-shorts/4017912378024,default,pd.html?cm_mmc=Google-_-Gore%20DE_UK_PLA-_-All%20Products-_-Feed%20UK&gclid=CjwKEAjwns6hBRDTpb_jkbTv1UYSJACBhberoJlFeMZTmSLwdXYYHDUQaeFeaOZj8ukydze4HxQTyBoCqtDw_wcB

These are ace…no waterproof coating as such but great winter shorts, that you can get cheaper looking around