[Closed] moral dilema - what would you do??

Tell them of their mistake IMO

I would let them know. Similar thing happened to me (albeit in an LBS) and I don't think I would have enjoyed living with the 'what if they find out'....

They did the same to me and within 3 days had called me and collected the second one.

Its theft and not worth the fallout.

It's not actually a moral dilemma at all is it?

guess thats decided then lol.... phone call to apple in the morning

Hold on, isn't there some law that says if you are sent something unsolicited you can keep it?

I disagree with early posts. It is up to you to ensure that your Income tax code is correct, so as far as I am concerned it is up to the vendor to ensure they send out the correct order. It's their mistake. I would hang on to it for a bit and see if they ask for it back. You could sell it and put the proceeds in an offshore bank account. Nothing immoral about it. I am sure Apple would agree.

Hold on, isn't there some law that says if you are sent something unsolicited you can keep it?

would they even know i received an extra one?

invoice and order clearly state 1 x mbp

Your first mistake was buying it from Apple, not a retailer who pays proper UK tax (e.g. John Lewis).

Personally I'd stick it under the bed and forget about it for a while - if they ask for it back I'd surrender it immediately, otherwise I'd hang onto it.

Nobody is saying you have to do the same.

They gave it to you - don't see how it can be theft.

Careful now, if you don't send back the extra laptop then the loss incurred by apple might force them into bankruptcy.

I'd keep it for a month, if it's all quiet then sell.

I wouldn't sell the second one. I'd return the first one for a full refund under the Distance Selling regulations instead

Its theft and not worth the fallout.

tell them but it's up to them to collect it. If they don't, it's yours.

It's the right thing to do. When you talk to them, point out repeatedly that you're doing the right thing.

I wouldn't sell the second one. I'd return the first one for a full refund under the Distance Selling regulations instead

You sir, are a genius!

Do you have a delivery note or a copy of the delivery note you signed does it say one or 2 on there?

says 1

And I have a rule - if Mrs Miggins local shop gives me the wrong change, I'll give it back. If McDonalds do, tough, I'm having it.

It's probably illegal

I, however would keep quiet. Leave it boxed up and return IF they ask for it.

Their screw up. They need to rectify. They'd be paying for collection too.

I'd also be checking my bank account to see what I've been charged for.

Not saying that's the "right" thing to do. Just what I'd do.

It's probably illegal

I, however would keep quiet. Leave it boxed up and return IF they ask for it.

Their screw up. They need to rectify. They'd be paying for collection too.

I'd also be checking my bank account to see what I've been charged for.

already checked cc statement... only been charged for one

I'd be practicing responding to a phone call with, "oh yes, I was wondering when you where going to collect that"

I'd be saying 'nope, I got the one I ordered and is stated on the delivery note, prove otherwise'.

How on earth is it theft? If someone came to your house and left their expensive watch, did you steal it?

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding ]Theft by finding[/url] or some such

To be honest, you should never have posted this. You never know who might see it now. The fact your username is close to whatever your real name is and your email is in your profile doesn't help.

EDIT: Remember if you do sell and the buyer ever returns it to Apple for a repair, things could start to get interesting.

If you buy something from an independent then obviously fess up and return. This happened to me once and they gave me 10% off forever for my honesty ! However in your case you are dealing with ghastly Apple. Clearly it is your moral duty to keep it.

Orange did the same to me some years ago with a new phone - conscience got the better of me so I rang and told them. Guy at customer services told me 'As far as we are concerned Mr Oink - we have only delivered you one' Result, sold on the 'Bay for £150! 😀

Did he actually say 'mr Oink'?

Thanks Mac. That cleared it up. Well as much as by saying the law isn't clear

OP - just keep it.

If it was me, I'd probably keep it for a while and if they hadn't chased it up then sell it on eBay as a 50% charity listing with £0.99 starting price and no reserve. That way make some money for yourself and give some to a charity.

How is keeping it not theft! It's obviously a mistake!

If it was me, I'd probably keep it for a while and if they hadn't chased it up then sell it on eBay as a 50% charity listing with £0.99 starting price and no reserve. That way make some money for yourself and give some to a charity.

might just do that... hell, worst that could happen is that i get charged for the second one.. at least i would have done my bit for charity 😉

Thanks Mac. That cleared it up. Well as much as by saying the law isn't clear

The finder must take reasonable steps to locate the owner

Seems clear enough - the instances where larceny wasn't upheld were where un-labelled/ untraceable items such as money were found in public spaces, where nothing about the item or the location gives a lead as to who the legitimate owner might be. Cases where it was upheld were where things are found relating to customers, or transactions or identifiable premises. In your case theres no question where the laptop came from - its got their name on it and arrived in a package with their return address on. So you don't even need to take a reasonable step.

As a contrast. We received a package with some wheel trims in last week. Unknown name but my address (a named house rather than a number and our full address and postcode so its not a typo). Left at the door by the courier, no consignment note or return address, unbranded items in unbranded packaging. I know all my neighbours here, so I know its not for any of them. So theres a limit to what reasonable steps I can take to identify either the intended recipient and no steps I can take to identify the vendor.

Karma?

Post them an empty envelope with post office proof of posting, then keep it

if it ever comes to anything, you point to your proof of posting as proof that you wrote to them and informed them of their error, but they failed to pick it up - lack of dishonesty, ergo no theft charges.

Theft doesn't require dishonesty.

eBay the second one, donate proceeds to tax man to offset Apple's missing tax dues.

Its unsolicited goods see [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolicited_goods ]here[/url]

Toy19 😀 think you've just made his day!

So at a small bikeshop the Sat boy accidently put a front and a rear XTR brakeset in the bag instead of just a front.

Would you take it back? Its paid for itself now cos I got one free?

'They can afford to lose one' doesnt make it better.

Do the right thing. Live by your morals.

What next? You are given a tenner extra at Tesco. Their evil so its ok to keep it?

Would I keep it? I'd call. Yes it might get lost in their stock system back/end up being pinched anyway but it wasnt ours to pinch..

What out for WiKi... Often wrong.

[url= http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/30/section/1/enacted ]unsolicited good and services act 1971[/url]

If I understand the legal speak correctly you have two routes to ownership...

1. Wait six months and if Apple do not try to recover the goods you can do as you wish.
2. Send them a letter giving them 30 days to collect, if they don't you can also do as you wish.

Looks like the law is being amended though and maybe to cover events such as this due to the amount of distance selling now taking place.

If it was me I'd take option 2 and write a letter. Honest and you can sleep well, you never know you might be ignored and can keep the goods legally.

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[url= http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_common_problems_with_products_e/consumer_problems_with_delivery_e/consumer_unsolicited_goods_e/youve_received_goods_or_services_you_didnt_ask_for_distance_sales.htm ]Unsolicited goods[/url]

Looks legal to keep them. It's apple we're talking about, not your local bike shop.

Keep it. Deny all knowledge of it if Apple contact you. Sell it next month or make someone happy with it. Don't tell anyone you don't trust (oops, too late).