cozz - Member
of course its racist, note how when radio one was advertising radio one extra as a black music radio station in the early days - I dont think a radio station that plays only "white music" would go down so well !
Of course it isn't racist. 1Xtra still calls itself a black music station. The jingle says "Love black music. Love 1Xtra". You seem to imply a non-existent climbdown.
Don't even get me started on the Asian network! 
Bugger. I totally agree with TJ
Its you that fails to understand what racism is. Racism is treating people unfairly on the basis of their skin colour. Now just who is being treated unfairly in the MOBO awards? No one.
If I prefer black music to white music does that mean I'm a reverse racist?
If I prefer white music to black music, I hate black people?
Weird.
just a point of minor pedantry but it's hard to claim all music as being of black origin when virtually all of modern music is created on european inventions such as guitars and keyboards and the modern equivalent of them.
i don't see that bill haley borrowing from john lee hooker is any different to john lee hooker borrowing from the spanish.
*awaits condemnation from the perpetually offended*
I wonder if Kraftwerk have ever been nominated...
trailmonkey - if human life evolved out of Africa, then everything is of black origin. We're all black on the inside brothers (and sisters)!
I think you are more racist than the concept of the MOBO awards being racist, you racist ****er
Is that at me djglover?
I think there's more to racism than simply noticing the colour of somebody's skin or recognising that some races have particular characteristics.
Pre-judging somebody because of his race, discriminating against somebody, shouting abuse, putting dogshit through letterboxes and killing are all on the very broad spectrum of racism.
How about MORO - Music of Rascist Origin. Laibach and their ilk. That only seems fair and will even out the balance.
Laibach aren't a racist band. They are often mistakenly identified as promoting far-right wing, fascist and totalitarian ideology, but in fact their image is a parody of the totalitarianism that they as part of the NKS (Neue Slowenische Kunst) sought to expose. They were banned from performing by the Yugoslav authorities, in fact. The fact that their music has been championed by various right-wing groups including Slovenian Nationalist extremists, actually shows just how thick some of these boneheads really are. A strange irony.
if human life evolved out of Africa, then everything is of black origin
which kind of makes the whole MOBO thing pointless really.
i think it largely is pointless nowadays anyhow. i could see the point of it originally when black artists struggled to gain industry recognition or proportianate media coverage but i'm not convinced that that is still the case.
*happy to be proved wrong*
One of our artists won something. In my view, that makes it a **** brilliant awards ceremony
aren't most forms of modern music in some way influenced by black music? I mean all forms of rock have their roots in blues. Also jazz etc has influenced both hip hop and other forms of music that require sampling. there literally is no music of white origin out there except posibly opera and modern forms of classical music like the proms. I'm pretty sure they have there own forum to present themselves. basically its a none argument.
Is having a special forum for mountain bikers discriminating against people who aren't mountain bikers?
I expect that jazz and blues have also been influenced by classical and folk music to some extent.
But I find all awards ceremonies rather iratating, its just a rather self obsessed industry's need to pat itself on the back, and they will create as many classifications as they can to do so.
I wonder if Kraftwerk have ever been nominated...
Kraftwerk - legends, and into bikes in a big way. Have you heard the one about Ralf Hutter coming a cropper in a big way on a road bike in about 1983, and his first question on coming round (days later, in hospital) was "Wo ist mein Fahrrad?"
Andy
(Off to listen to Trans Europe Express)
Slightly baffled
Right. I'll offer an explanation:
The West, IE Europe and North America, is inherently and institutionally 'White', by culture and ethnicity. Black people within the West are in a minority. The principal Social Actors are White Males. The default setting, if you like, is 'White'. Thus, society has revolved around the needs and wants of this particular group, for centuries. Any other influences are often seen as foreign and alien to the status quo, and often treated with mistrust, suspicion and even hate.
The point of having a MOBO ceremony, is to say that 'look, (we) Black people are a legitimate and valid part of Western Society, and would like aspects of Black culture to be celebrated and respected in the same way that White culture is'. Because there was much valid opinion that Black culture wasn't previously recognised and given the respect it rightly deserved. White artists took the credit for music that Black people had written, created and first performed. I think it was just a way of saying 'hang on, it's fine for White artists to have the recognition and rewards for their efforts, but we don't think we're getting a fair deal'. Which was true, and a sentiment backed up by huge numbers of White artists too.
Notting Hill Carnival is a celebration of Black culture in London and the UK. It has aways been a 'Black' event; it was founded by Black people, with African and Caribbean music and dance. It has evolved into a celebration of the wonderful diversity of life in London, and no-one is excluded!
I can see your point, that 'White' isn't a term that's used in relation to European and British culture and history, but if you see such things as the Monarchy being a 'White' institution, then maybe it starts to become a bit clearer.
In fairness, I used to wonder in the same way as Spongebob. But following my time studying at Uni, and growing up more, I came to understand why there is a MOBO, yet not a MOWO, in Britain.
I hope this sheds some light on the matter.
I think Spongebob is perfectly right to ask such a question. And to accuse him of being racist is unfair and unhelpful.
Maybe one day there won't be a need for the MOBO awards, as the music and culture of all groups will be celebrated equally. I think that day has yet to come.
Maybe one day there won't be a need for the MOBO awards, as the music and culture of all groups will be celebrated equally. I think that day has yet to come
I don't think that's quite right. Black music is celebrated - undoubtedly. IIRC, the whole point of MOBO is that black music is celebrated but not duly recognised.
thank you elfin.
I, personally celebrate music from all origins equally.
If I like em.
See those three tower blocks in the background? I grew up in the middle one of them.
I'm possibly in that crowd somewhere actually. I can't remember. I was only little.
so was i (in the crowd )
aren't most forms of modern music in some way influenced by black music? I mean all forms of rock have their roots in blues. Also jazz etc has influenced both hip hop and other forms of music that require sampling. there literally is no music of white origin out there except posibly opera and modern forms of classical music like the proms. I'm pretty sure they have there own forum to present themselves. basically its a none argument
I'm glad someone stood up for Laibach up there. It's fairly obvious that they are one of the biggest piss taking bands on the planet.
Elfinsafety - MemberSee those three tower blocks in the background? ..........I'm possibly in that crowd somewhere actually
........ I was only little.
Have you grown since the last time I saw you ?
How tall are you now ?
About 95% of what passes for racism these days is actually nothing of the sort, or is totally harmless fun.
it's political correctness gone mad. and it's actually 96.7%, i read it in the express.
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