Sorry if this has been done before...
i'm looking to replace my 2.25 advantage on the front. i'd like something with a bit more cornering confidence, as good as the advantages are they do not fill me with as much confidence as i'd like [probably it's just my tecnnique!].
So High Roller and Minion are supposed to offer greater grip. But which do people prefer?
I ride a lot on Dartmoor, and occasionaly HSD at Gawton, so want something that will bite at fairly high speed when cornering and on steep tech descents.
Do Minions roll better than High Rollers?
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Minions V High Rollers
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Posted 10 months ago #
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Haven't used them in a few years but minions always worked well for me. Can't say I have tried the high rollers however...
Posted 10 months ago # -
high rollers are **** ime
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@cruzheckler that is a very strong opinion! For what reason are they ****?
Posted 10 months ago # -
You looking at dual ply or single ply? Cos for general riding, dual ply's will be massive overkill.
Anyway. General consensus is High Rollers have slightly more outright grip, but Minions roll slightly quicker and when they reach the end of their grip they are more progressive when they let go.
If that helps.
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^^ M-boy is spot on.
Posted 10 months ago # -
In my experience:
High Rollers work best when ridden hard, you need to lean them over a long way to for the side knobs to grip, but when they do they are marginally more grippy that Minions. They’re better I the mud than Minions as well.
Minions are slightly faster rolling and offer less outright grip but they are more progressive and don’t need to be ridden quite as hard to get the best out of them.That said, both are good tyres, both are better on the front than an Advantage (IMO). I prefer Minions but I’m not very knar.
Posted 10 months ago # -
A lot of the guys I ride with run Minion DHF on both front and rear. I have run High Rollers in both single ply on my XC/Trail bike and Dual-play on my DH bike with no issues. I think they are a great all-round tyre
Posted 10 months ago # -
Yes single ply - possibly super tacky as it is for front and will not wear as quick as rear.
IIRC minion @ 2.35 is slightly narrower than HR @ 2.35...therefore is minion supposed to be more of a mud tyre as it is narrower?Posted 10 months ago # -
High rollers can feel a bit strange, as they kind of 'lurch' then grip as you go onto the side knobs, I use a minion on the front now as I like their progressiveness.
Posted 10 months ago # -
As mboy says.
Highrollers clear mud better than minions, hence grip better in mud generally. Again as mboy mentioned, the same applies to mud, the high roller grips better for the most part, but has a bigger habit of letting go, in mud the minion is never gripping well, but doesn't let totally go for the most part.
Posted 10 months ago # -
HRs are great if you're a bit unsubtle like me, and just kinda slap the bike over.
Posted 10 months ago # -
So High Rollers if you are brimming with Gnar and ride proper with the bike at 45° on every corner and Minions if you are a bit of a tentative cornerer like me?
Posted 10 months ago # -
Have used both over the years.
High Rollers in the winter, wet months as they grip better in mud. Minion DHF for the rest/most of the year as I prefer their cornering characteristics.
Minions definitely roll faster.
Single ply in all cases.
The super tacky High Roller makes pedaling the bike much harder than the super tacky Minion.
Winter/mud: 60a High Rollers front and back
Summer/dry: 42a Minion DHF front, 60a Minion DHF rear (reversed)Posted 10 months ago # -
Minion on the front. High- Roller on the back.
Works very well for me.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Strangeley I thought my HR worked really well on the front in the wet.
Posted 10 months ago # -
They are **** as the grip is not great in any condition - its passable in many. The sidealls on the single ply are very fragile. The pressure where it works well is a very small window. They are heavy for the grip they provide. Advantages or spesh eskars are far better for me
Posted 10 months ago # -
@cruzheckler That interesting about your preference of Advantages. As a friend of mine who is a far better rider than me felt the advantages on my bike [when he rode it] were really good also and far better than the 2.35 nevegals he was using...
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So High Rollers if you are brimming with Gnar and ride proper with the bike at 45° on every corner and Minions if you are a bit of a tentative cornerer like me?
I def wouldn't say that! I've just never been very smooth, HRs seem to suit that.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Dirt, for what it's worth, rate the Nevegal as a terrible tyre for cornering, so prob not a great comparison. Whoever said High Rollers need to be angled over a long way for the side section to grip is talking poop. Very square tyre profile so the edges engage when the bike is closer to vertical. There is however a 'void' as you roll the tyre off the centre section and onto the side knobs.
Advantage - good rear, not as much grip as high roller/minion
Minion - Good grip, clogs more than HR, more predictable than HR
HR - Grip grip grip...then goes very quickly if the side knobs loose traction.
Edit - Larson - Good rear, round profile and more grip than you'd think.
Ignitor - Very slidey on the edge but i like it as a rear tyre, wouldn't run one on the front.Don't a lot of the pro downhillers use Minions/Highrollers? Some of whom aren't paid to do so therefore it may be safe to assume that they aren't '****' although there may be certain tyres which suit some people better.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I would agree about single ply high rollers side walls being very fragile!
I have some on Flows, Tubeless obviously and they are starting to fray and the weave is coming through!
Mind you they are cheap as chips and offer me plenty of confidence, I have tried a Minion DHF on the front but didn't really notice it rolling quicker - However I may try one again.
Tyres are very subjective, a lot depends on the rider, terrain, pressures etc. They are all good tyres it just depends what you feel comfy with.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I think Gotama (and others) have it bang on.
I prefer Minion DHFs front and rear - roll quicker, work well in dry conditions & wet mud, clog a bit in sticky mud. Don't seem to let go as quickly as HRs, but as already said, riding style, pressures, conditions all play a part.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Just to throw a curveball in here, I swapped from single ply HRs on my trail bike a while ago to 2.2 rubber queens black chilli (avoid the 2.4s they are MASSIVE) and haven't looked back - grippy and roll well. Bloody expensive though.
Posted 10 months ago # -
i've ridden both and prefer minions.
either on the back though. or something faster (larsen?)
Posted 10 months ago # -
Would like to try a queen on the back in the black chilli but everytime i look the cost it just steers me back towards maxxis.
SBrock - Are you running non tubeless specific highrollers at low pressures? Lower than you would with a tube in? Never had them start to fray, be it high roller or minion, and wonder if its something to do with the fact that you're running them tubeless and they're not meant to be? Having said that i'm a surrey hills kid so don't ride in a particularly rocky environment whcih may alter the performance of the tyre. I also ride mine with low 30s in the front and mid in the rear.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I love minions on the front.. my only wish would be that they had a larger volume like more modern Ardents or Adavantiage.
I ride Dry Ardent front, Wet Minion Front... Crossmark rear whatever
Posted 10 months ago # -
binned my RQ 2.2s in favour of Minion DHFs. The Minions roll faster, have better cornering grip - feel slightly more sketchy in the wet over roots, but I get on with them a lot better.
FYI, the RQs were Black Chili and the Minions are 60a 2.35s.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Ridden both, prefer Minions too. Didn't find High Rollers confidence inspiring. Preferred Eskars for that type of riding.
Which is this. My impression from the marketing schpiel had been that High Rollers/Eskars are for dusty loose fast fire road California riding whereas Minions are for earthy soil UK twisty singletrack. In other words, Minions are East Coast US; High Rollers are West Coast.
I'm surprised to read that Minions clog more than High Rollers. I haven't tested mine in the mud yet but cannot imagine anything that clogs worse than a High Roller. They clog bad.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Also poss worth adding....this months dirt tests a Geax tyre, forget which one. Pretty much the same tread pattern as the high roller but with a soft edge compound and a hard centre. They rate it and it makes sense in my head. May be worth giving that a try as opposed to a HR.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I got some HRs after reading how awesome they were, but found them to lack grip and scare me a little bit.
Then I spent a day with Jedi...
Now I think they're very good - maybe because I'm properly loading the front and leaning the bike over etc now?
I have an Ardent on the back and find they make a great combo.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I've only ever had HRs on my bikes - miniDH and hardtail. Both now shod with the single ply super tackies. Grip really well in the dry over everything, and not bad in the mud as long as you go fast enough for them to clear. But if the top soil is wet and underneath is dry, they can slip about like buggery.
If your HRs are not gripping/shedding mud as you'd want, it's probably down to how you're riding - not the tyre.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I find HRs quite sluggish, but love the feel of them. Minions roll better but maybe come up a bit smaller for the 2.3?
I love advantages on the back, but they dont feel very good on the front for me
nb went out today with a Rubber queen front. Really liking this tyre - blows up big for a 2.2 but seems sturdy enough at about 25psi and performed ok in the wet
Posted 10 months ago # -
Gotam, yes Im running my HRs tubeless and they are non-ust!
Posted 10 months ago # -
well when i bought my alpine it had high rollers on it and i swapped them over with my other bike which had minions because i thought the minions were amazing for grip and they arnt draggy i think the high rollers are a bit more draggy so id say minons!!
Posted 10 months ago # -
Quick question - 60a or 42a super tacky on the front for an Alps backcountry week?
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