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Let's Talk About Bullying.
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I like moist too.
And gusset.
As for a moist gus...
Better not go there.
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Not going (or getting) there is the problem for a lot of people on here !
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That was me being sensitive.
Oh god, I have proved myself less sensitive than Mr Woppit.
Seriously though, I have a newfound respect for several posters on this thread (including you Woppit) because of their attitude towards this whole sorry saga.
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And as others have said, bullying is completely the wrong word here.
The person we are talking about was IMO both deeply unhappy and deeply unpleasant (as evidenced by this shameful Twitter business) and I don't mind going on record to applaud Singletrack for banning him and to urge them to make it a real lifetime ban.
Call that arselicking if you want, but I want my voice heard just a tiny bit as much as his voice was heard on here - and I suspect there are many who feel the same and don't want to get involved in a "debate" about it with the usual suspects.
To get back to "bullying", why do those of you bandying this word around suppose that the individuals that have apparently been "bullied off" the forum all happen to have been behaving like arseholes?
If somebody strops off with their tail between their legs after being taken down a peg or two, is that really bullying? I don't think so.
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Elf brings a lot to this forum. From what I'm told it seems to me a personal vendetta, nice one Mark.
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I like Elf. Nice fella in real life, and I've never had a problem with him on here, other than his Lundaynisms.
As I didn't see what he said or did, there's no real way for me to assess just how offensive he was. All I'd say is this: he's got a different perspective to a lot of the voices here, which I think is worth preserving.
Give him a ban, fair enough, but don't make it permanent.
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From what I'm told it seems to me a personal vendetta
Eh?
It's Marks forum.
It's part of a business.
Elf has been banned at least 4 times and allowed back under sufferance, and from yesterday it appears that there was an ongoing conversation regarding his behaviour on the forum, which it appears he has not heeded.I was OK with him, until recently, when he insisted on popping up in the middle of whatever thread and using it to boost his own ego; he was told to jeff off by me and a number of others because of this.
His profile said it all; Not Very Well.
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Give him a ban, fair enough, but don't make it permanent.
think he burnt those bridges last night
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My views and Mr Elf's are poles apart and for that reason I opted not to argue with him.
Not my cup of tea and sure I'm not his, have to accept that in life there are just people you don't get on with and never would
Not pleased or displeased he has been banned, but some of you who are now saying good riddance did fan the flames at times and I'm assuming enjoyed the sport
Things move on and will all soon be forgotten, bit like people who think their employer and colleagues couldn't cope without them, oh yes they can
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Nickf if you'd have gone through his tweets you'd change your mind.
Nevermind the alleged email threats to other STW'ers.
He needs to go away, chill out and join either pinkbike, bikemagic or bikeradar.
If you saw the tweets and feel a ban should be temporary you really need help. Said in the nicest way but true.
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BTW I've never met Mark. I just think if you visit someones 'house' you don't insult the host.
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Hora, as I said, I saw none of this. I don't use Twitter (I genuinely don't undertsand its purpose) so I'll not bother searching. I'll take your word for it that it was highly offensive.
But we've all got drunk and said really stupid things, haven't we? The hardest thing is facing people afterwards, I've found, and having to earn trust all over again and eat humble pie. Not that getting drunk is an excuse; it's frankly a bit pathetic to use as an excuse. But I can't claim to be perfect in this regard, and I've been mighty insulting, to my chagrin, on several occasions.
Not my call - I don't own the site. Just making a plea for tolerance, that's all.
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To get back to "bullying", why do those of you bandying this word around suppose that the individuals that have apparently been "bullied off" the forum all happen to have been behaving like arseholes?
a) Not all of them were arseholes.
b) A forum without arseholes would be less interesting.
c) This forum, without arseholes, would be miniscule
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well said nickf. I don't do twitter either but I'm very curious!
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a) Not all of them were arseholes.
Genuinely interested to know which non-arseholes have been bullied off STW? I was just thinking of SurfMatt and Flow really, who were both unpleasantly argumentative know-it-alls.
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Anyway he'll be back and no doubt banned as soon as his writing style is spotted.
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Still on ...
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c) This forum, without arseholes, would be miniscule
Quote of the thread for me so far.
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...and the fact that he is still here, still posting under yet another new name only reinforces that he is Not Very Well.
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Really? what name?
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Why would he though? I don't get that thinking if he is.
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If you saw the tweets and feel a ban should be temporary you really need help. Said in the nicest way but true.
I saw the tweets. So I let him know that if he wanted to rant, he could ring me and get it off his chest.
Why?
Because that's what nice people do for their mates.
This thread has outed some rather vile feelings from some people, people who should know better and should know when to shut up, but I know they won't.
95% of the people on this thread don't have the first clue.
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95% of the people on this thread don't have the first clue.
Enlighten us then.
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Fair enough, stick up for your mates but don't claim all those who don't like him are vile.
What went on between mark and elf is irrelevant, and to claim we're all stupid for not knowing is a typically elfin thing to say and goes a fair way towards explaining why he got banned.Posted 4 months ago # -
Fair enough, stick up for your mates but don't claim all those who don't like him are vile.
What went on between mark and elf is irrelevant, and to claim we're all stupid for not knowing is a typically elfin thing to say and goes a fair way towards explaining why he got banned again, and again, and again.FTFY.
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hora - Member
BTW I've never met Mark. I just think if you visit someones 'house' you don't insult the host.
The reverse of that seems to be the norm, when friends come to visit me!
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I got accused of all sorts on here a couple of years ago, I was a closet werewolf an in denial chicken and a mad deranged gerbil at one point.
But hey! at least I'm a valued member now
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I saw the tweets from the user named elfinsafety. They weren't very nice, but they are nothing compared to some of the vile stuff I've seen directed at people on there, but that doesn't change the fact they were unpleasant and totally uncalled for. I must admit I thought they posted by someone pretending to be him to try and makes things worse as they were very unelfinlike in the way they were very angry and when on here he always kept calm and enjoyed pointing out that others were losing their cool.
I found him amusing at times, but I also recognised that often when he was involved in a thread, far too often it transformed into the elfin show on some occasions I found that amusing, but I could understand that it must be very frustrating for posters who ask genuine questions which are lost as the thread rapidly descends into elfin winding up those who are all too willing to bite. I'm not convinced that alone would be worth a banning, but I'm not a moderator.
Peterpoddy, did elfin give you a call or make contact? With regard us not having a clue, I would be very interested to find out.Posted 4 months ago # -
Genuinely interested to know which non-arseholes have been bullied off STW?
Was thinking of people like Emsz, though not her specifically. Just people who've found the general demeanour of the forum to be more snide and unpleasant of late, though in hindsight perhaps that isn't the same thing.
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but they are nothing compared to some of the vile stuff I've seen directed at people on there
Rubbish. You find me any post on here with that level of invective and insult, that level of vile language and hatred. Go on, have a look.
You will fail. The very fact that he took them all down is, in my mind, a good thing. He clearly realised he'd very much overstepped the mark and did the only decent thing he could have done.
However, there is nothing like that level of abuse on here. Ever.
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Rubbish. You find me any post on here with that level of invective and insult, that level of vile language and hatred. Go on, have a look.
Calm down CFH.
He said there, as in Twitter, not here, as in STW.
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Valid point, Jamie. Apologies all, I should have read more closely.
The rest stands, but once again, apologies for my mistake.
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Well, as I've not been spending as much time on here as I used to, and seeing as many of the posts on that thread were removed, I dont really have anything to base an opinion on this time around. I like Fred, and having spoken to him in the 'real' world, (though not on this occasion), feel it's a shame that he got banned. Was it a temporary or permanent ban? Did anybody else get banned? I'm honestly not wanting to stir up s**t here, just curious as to what happened.
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However, there is nothing like that level of abuse on here. Ever.
Good christ that feels like a challenge
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