Guilty of the murder of Stephen Lawrence - both of them.
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media coverage i saw suggested the jury wouldn't have enough reliable evidence to convict. surprising. hopefully that's justice done after all this time.
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Glad to see justice has been done at last but can't help but think that there'll be years of appeals to go through too...
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whoops
and about **** time
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Saw on twitter this morning that the jury had requested to see the "violent racist" video evidence on Friday afternoon.
Sentencing tomorrow. (just heard on 5Live)
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on another note, they're not going to find life inside much fun judging by the details of the case.
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YEEESSSS!
Justice at last!
Well pleased. ****ing brilliant. Finally those scum will be removed from decent society.
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As led down Gary Dobson said: you have condemned an innocent man here today. Doreen #lawrence wept. Pauline Dobson (mother) also crying.
From the Beeb's Matt Prodger on twitter.
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Good
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At last. He's still dead but I hope his family feel a bit better now. I remember those men leaving court years ago when they got not guilty. Terrible behaviour.
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well thats two of them
taken far too long.
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Brilliant! Two less nasty racist scumbags on the street. They were clearly guilty from the off. They were literally bragging about it. They should have been down for a long time already!
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About bloody time!
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They must have thought they'd got away with it after all these years, especially after the outcome of the original case.
Thanks to DNA it means justice is seen to be done, shame the rest of the mob are still walking about free men though.
Still some peace of mind for the family, having lost a son at least some of those responsible are to be held to account.
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Almost two decades. Imagine the pain and suffering of the Lawrence family upto this point.
What about the other members of the gang?
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How comes the others didn't get prosecuted? No DNA?
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I imagine so. Couldn't be tied to the scene. Either they disposed of their clothing effectively(?) or they weren't within the knife/close enough to get the blood on them.
Could be one of the others got the knife in but another closer fella got the blood spatter?
(I'm wildly speculating here)
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As led down Gary Dobson said: you have condemned an innocent man here today.
you were obviously there pal, and now you're doing a lot of time for one of your mates.
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True. If he felt that strongly throughout HIS trial he'd have said 'look, it wasn't me but it was x'..
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Finally some justice for the Lawrence family.
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True. If he felt that strongly throughout HIS trial he'd have said 'look, it wasn't me but it was x'..
+1, i'd have been happy (ish) if he'd done a deal to convict whoever was more directly involved.
On the other hand it does border on thought policing
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how is ti thought policing seeing as they have been charged and convicted of murder ...they were at the murder scene ..this is actions not thoughts
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"Thought police" - how?
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True. If he felt that strongly throughout HIS trial he'd have said 'look, it wasn't me but it was x'..
Woon't matter at all. Under the Law of 'Joint Enterprise', all those involved in the attack are guilty of murder, so grassing up who actually did stab Stephen woon't help him in any way. He's still guilty of murder according to British Law.
This case has helped change the way the police work, and how Justice is served in this country, I believe for the better.
Now I think there should be a push to bring the rest to justice, to charge the parents of Gary Dobson for lying, and action against any police officers who failed in their duties, including senior officers.
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they were at the murder scene
So was (for arguments sake) the lampost and any witnesses?
Being a racist thug is one thing, being a murderer is another. Not every racist thug is a murderer. If there was only one knife in the group, and one of the defendants was holding it, would the murder have still taken place? Can you be 100% sure it wasn't a group of racist thugs and one murderer?
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You're jointly responsible.
Or are you suggesting, for example, that getaway drivers shouldn't get done for armed robbery, just speeding?
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or, if one person holds someone down and their mate hits said person, only the hitter is guilty of assault?
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Being a racist thug is one thing, being a murderer is another.
How true. One will get sent down (eventually). The other gets made captain of the national team, paid sqillions of pounds and is feted in the media.
What they're really guilty of is not being sufficiently hard-faced. And maybe lack of ambition?
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in summary, doesn't matter who owned, or wielded the knife, if you're in a group of people that commits a crime, you're all guilty of it, usually (unless, for example, you could prove you had tried to stop it or something like that)
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The only way any member of that group could possibly have protected themselves form a murder charge, is if they'd handed themselves in straight away and gave evidence against the person who actually wielded the knife. The Joint Enterprise Law was brought in to prevent situations where someone has bin killed after being attacked by a group, yet no-one in a group ever stands trial for the actual murder, cos they're all protecting each other. One guilty = all guilty unless you speak up and say who dunnit.
They've constantly lied under oath, and obstructed Justice. They don't deserve any leniency. An 18 year old kid as brutally murdered. They were all party to his death. they all deserve to be locked up for their crime.
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They've constantly lied under oath, and obstructed Justice. They don't deserve any leniency.
Its worse than that though Fred. They acted continuously like smug, arrogant ****s who knew they were going to get off. And not only did they show absolutely zero remorse! They looked very very pleased indeed with themselves for taking an innocent life, for absolutely no good reason.
I hope the police are very careful on which wing they put them? It'd be terrible if it was somewhere where the 'whites were in a minority and they may have to experience racism themselves. After what they've done, that would be awful
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hey what's changed a Indian chap got shot in the head and another guy walking down the Uk's busiest street got murdered!
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I hope the police are very careful on which wing they put them? It'd be terrible if it was somewhere where the 'whites were in a minority and they may have to experience racism themselves. After what they've done, that would be awfulI'd like to hope that the majority of "the whites" would be just as unimpressed with their prejudice.
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from what I've read not sure the guy was just "walking down the .. street" (if you're referring to the Oxford Street murder)
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He's referring to the murder in Ordsall in Salford I think. The Police are saying its a hate crime. I'm not convinced that had anything to do with race at all. You'd have to be ****ing insane to be strolling through that neck of the woods, looking like a tourist, at that time in the morning! Whatever creed or colour you were.
For the very reason that what actually happened would be one of many possible outcomes. None of which are very appealing. The guy arrested refers to himself as "Psycho" and wished to be addressed as such in court
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