LBS has just stared stocking them, and as my G-forms wear out (well used/a good length of service, but the stitching it starting to tear) I am considering them. Looking at them in the shop, they definitely slightly more substantial (but not hugely bulky) than the g-form with better all round cover. Rode with the LBS owner and his g/f the other day, out for 5 hrs and neither of them were ‘messing’ with the pads at any point, so look to be a true fit and forget (in reasonably warm conditions) lightweight pad.