zippykona – givent eh number of people killed on the roads and the appalling standards of driving I am quite content to have dashboard cameras of the type above put in all cars. they only record the few seconds before impact – that will do for me

there then becomes an incentive to ride in such a way that provides ‘interesting’ footage

yeah they’ll be getting their mates to speed past them cutting them up and allsorts of other shady stuff. Mark my words it’ll end up like that russian crimewatch scandal all over again.

there then becomes an incentive to ride in such a way that provides ‘interesting’ footage

I think “Facepalm” is the expression I’m looking for.

gaz something or other in london and magnumtom in glasgow

CycleGaz – the bloke that runs http://www.sillycyclists.co.uk/ and who appeared in The Times #cyclesafe campaign?

And magnatom, the shouty doctor, who I’ve seen interviewed on Scottish News and has a blog http://www.magnatom.net/

Don’t see how either are making any money from it to be honest.

CycleGaz – the bloke that runs http://www.sillycyclists.co.uk/ and who appeared in The Times #cyclesafe campaign

Did he? Jeez, that’ll do our cause loads of good. I saw a couple of his videos a while ago and thought “What a c***”

FFS! I bet the insurance company will be the first to approve all these measures to squeeze every drop out of your hard earn money. They are ridiculous …

We are in a zombie world so loosing a few zombies are of no concern. I mean shoot a few car drivers …

Did he?

Yep, 30s-1:50 in the main Times campaign video here:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3306502.ece

Comes across as a perfectly reasonable bloke to be honest.

Jeez, that’ll do our cause loads of good.

He runs a blog to educate cyclists about avoidable dangers on the road, a YouTube channel to highlight bad driving, appeared in a national campaign and local news to discuss the issues.

Sounds like he’s doing a lot more for “our cause” than most of us.

Still came across as a c***. Actually he’s probably a STWer, blaming all the problems on the road on the cyclists.

Nothing, including Cams, will stop the real nutters. The sort of people who do things outside police stations without realising that they are outside police staions for example. But I think it could be a usefull deterent to the sort of person who thinks that because he/she is late for work, anything goes.

Those russian clips are quite entertaining – in a “I’m glad it wasn’t me” sort of way.

blaming all the problems on the road on the cyclists.

Actually that is very clearly not what he does, but for some reason you’ve decided not to like him so I don’t suppose I’ll persuade you otherwise.

dezb – but you think bikes should ride in the gutter and get out of the way of traffic!

SST – what cams will do is allow blame to be sorted out more fairly. When you have video footage of a crash its easy to see who is at fault

dezb – but you think bikes should ride in the gutter and get out of the way of traffic!

Show me ONE single quote where I tell ANYONE where they should ride. Go on.

Can’t find any dez but have you not advocated not using the primary position as it blocks car drivers?

No.

Ok.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX-7m1p8e-k[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZy_Pub985A[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RRa8ZdUm0U[/video]

3 of mine.

Nowadays most buses and coaches have cctv cameras, filming inside and out , back and front as well as sides of the vehicles, to stop fraudulent claims by others.

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what cams will do is allow blame to be sorted out more fairly.

So, hypothetically speaking, say a clearly identifiable cyclist was filmed RLJing but the footage only showed the J and not the threat to the cyclists safety which “justified” the J.
Should this cyclist be happy to hold his hands up to the offence on the basis of this (perhaps non contextual) video evidence ?

Not in Scotland no – as here you need two bits of evidence to prosecute 🙂

OK so in “some” instances, having a camera won’t help, but that’s the same with anything?

I know it was CCTV rather than a dash/helmet cam, but how do you think that guy who was deliberatly knocked off his bike by a bus would have fared had there been no footage?

edit: did the bus have a camera on board too?

I have a dash cam, have been using it religiously over the last 18 months or so at work (much less so at home as I do less miles and the windscreen mount is rubbish)

I wasn’t an arrogant driver before, but its a reminder to back off or stop trying to look for an overtake when you do get impatient with a plodding numpty ahead. Also makes you think twice about creeping over a 30mph limit as if the Satnav is on it stamps your speed onto the video.

Didn’t cost me anything, its just my smartphone with ‘Dailyroads Voyager’ App installed. It records in a loop unless you or an impact signals it to save a clip.

Only real points it has caught so far is a driver that managed to miss me (my white Transit luton) and pulled straight out across my path, that was a little scary, a boy racer that pulled across my lane 1 of a dual carriageway from a side road, but couldn’t get out of the way as he wanted to queue in lane 2 and there was no gap, and a Jag I narrowly avoided rear ended after he slowed down suddenly, the gap between us naturally closed as I braked, and then as I increased the gap he noticed a level crossing was coming down so he swung into a side road to divert, but left it so late he crossed onto the wrong side of the road and had to jump on the brakes before he hit some bollards on a traffic island, leaving his rear end sticking out into the main road. I’d like to think that what would normally be my fault, would go the other way as his standard of driving on the video was clearly a large factor. Oh, and someone who drifted out of their lane whilst passing me on a dual and nearly took my front bumper off, and then gave me the finger when I flashed him 🙂

It seems attaching a cam to yourself for the commute results in excessive hand wringing and reflecting on stuff you wouldn’t have previously noticed or forgotten about by the time you got off them bike; each to their own I guess.

Plenty of insurance companies already offering discounted insurance to drivers willing to have black boxes fitted.

Who’s doing it now? What kind of discount do they give?

Who’s doing it now? What kind of discount do they give?

Been a couple of lesser known companies doing it for a while. See http://www.comparethebox.com/ & http://www.fairpayinsurance.co.uk/

But the AA and DirectLine have recently started doing it too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/feb/10/car-insurance-aa-black-box
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/insurance/motorinsurance/8876522/Direct-Line-to-trial-black-box-technology-to-cut-motor-insurance-premiums.html

Actual discount is based on “live” information the receive about your driving style!

Plenty of insurance companies already offering discounted insurance to drivers willing to have black boxes fitted.

Eventually, this will just become mandatory for insurance purposes and there won’t be any discount.

Think the black boxes are being trialled for younger drivers to reduce their premiums.

Wouldn’t be shocked if it became ‘optional’ for most drivers. It would have to save me a significant amount to consider it.