Horizon – tell us something we don't already know

No news so far.

Didn’t like the way they said running only burns 16 calories a minute… thats 960 an hour which is a lot.

Basically people eat too much and don’t do enough exercise / don’t realise the calorific intake of their diets.

give it a chance

I’ve already been told off three times for shouting at the TV. It really is poor stuff so far.

Matt

Taping it.

Not another of those pseudo-scientific survey type things where they study a team of netballists and give half one thing and half another and then come up with some galactic breakthrough?

Singing the praises of hiit at the moment..

It’s that Tabata thing. It’s quite interesting to be fair

I’ll certainly incorporate it into my regime, I know fartlek stuff is effective.

Wow, I didn’t realise iDave diet was that well known, great that it got a 4 minute segment of the show.

Hmm I don’t want to diss idave, but the idiet mode of eating isn’t that new, I agree it’s not mainstream and I’m really pleased it’s popular on here. One day hopefully what is currently mainstream will change, this exposure is all good.

it’s horizon on BBC2, of course it isn’t news.

surely this HIIT stuff has been around since the 70s.

not sure what is new here.

The chair is a killer

That chap with the NEAT idea was sporting a suit that was anything but.

Where’s the eye bleach…

I thought it was ok. I just wish there’d been more people on the HIT study though.

A bit pointless using a ‘non-responder’

I`m definitely a non responder with and over active thyroid!

Didn’t watch it. I totally agree that I didn’t invent anything as such, I collated a lot of info that has worked with my clients over the years and has a sound basis and put it together as a generic ‘regime’. TV annoys me too much normally without watching anything in my area of work.

He didn’t know he was a non-responder until after he’d done all the work tho, did he?

It really made me want to get all those tests done. Anyone got any ideas?

I used to think I drank too much ergo i struggled, now i realise i’m a non responder.

I’d quite like to have a load of scans and tests n shizzle 🙂 it would be great to know more info on mybody composition and workings and how to get the best out of it.

Hi idave, it wasn’t a dig and your honesty is refreshing. The quicker regimes like yours become mainstream the better for this obesity issue. I can’t stand it when I hear people at work claim that just because what they’re eating is low fat then it must be good, damn that rosemary conley…

Yeah I’d like those tests too.

So what does it actually mean if you are a non responder??
Don’t even bother in the first place?

didn’t talk about food intake at all.

Bearing in mind it’s intended audience, I thought it was quite a reasonable program. Not too sure I want my brain zapped though.

One way to get all the tests done for free is to volunteer to a university that does that sort of research. I did a VO2 max test a few years ago as part of a university research program into the relationship between the heart and lungs. More recently I was part of a large NHS study which had me wearing an activity sensor for a week, plus V02max again and total body fat measurement. Lots of good info.

Well there’s a new excuse for getting out of breath running for the bus “I’m not a lazy b*st*rd, I’m a non-responder”

didn’t talk about food intake at all.

It wasn’t ‘how to get thin’, it was a programme about what we thought we knew about exercise and physiology.

So what does it actually mean if you are a non responder??Don’t even bother in the first place?

He didn’t respond to increasing his vo2 max, he DID improve his insulin response and lowered his risk of diabetes. And although he didn’t increase his vo2 max he did comment whilst doing the test that he felt stronger and went for longer, so I would say in one way he has responded to hiit

Yes, I think they could have stressed that he could have improved a lot of aspects of his health, gained strength and lost weight despite not improving his VO2 max.

It looks like being a non-responder means don’t worry if training doesn’t make you really quick/fit, it can still make you healthier

It didnt make the non-responder point very clear.. as if fat/unfit people might not have enough excuses already. No longer is it my hormones or i’m just big boned.. im obviously a non-responder. So i can sit back down and open another packet of cheesy doritos and watch Jeremy Kyle or whatever typecast fat unhealthy non-responding people watch.
Just trying to make my point.

cloudnine, agree completely with what you’re saying, they should have expanded\explained better, you could easily come away with that message. I was annoyed because he did respond, granted not specifically to v02 max, the trouble is people may well take the non responder message.

didn’t talk about food intake at all.

They did mention it with the running bit; some thing about exercise only being part of it and you need to control what you eat. Only one line in the whole show tho.

I thought 55min of slow jogging was a small price to pay for a pint of hot milk (sorry coffee) and that awful bun thing….

Here’s a food label idea. Forget calorie, fat values etc.

“You need to run for 2 hours to burn off this cake”

hey allmountain, I like that idea 🙂 on another (fitness) forum someone suggested that it is easier to NOT eat the Mars bar in the first place than exercise it off; maybe your label idea will drive that home….

They never made it clear what they meant by a non-responder. VO2 max is genetically hard wired and can only be increased slightly by training. So if you are genetically blessed with a high VO2 max then even if you are a non responder you’ll still out perform someone with a low VO2 max who is a high responder.

What can be trained is lactate threshold and his results did seem to imply that his threshold had improved if he could go on for longer on the ramp test and his body chemistry had certainly responded to the training.