Just read the "staying in on NYE" thread...seems many are ****ed off with their other half, or left them/got left in 2011.
What happened...who was responsible? My own (call it naive - I've never even co-habited) view is that a relationship screwing up is rarely all one party's fault...am I dreaming?
My otherwise perfect or "good enough" (and relatively new) lady is hacking me off just now on one certain issue...so happy stories are also welcome.
I think it would be impossible and unreasonable to expect that in sharing every aspect of your life with someone that sometimes you will not get on, you will not like eachother and that you won't sometimes wonder 'what else is there'. There's nothing wrong with that but I do think it freaks people out that sometimes the bumpy patches aren't sorted out with an 'I'm sorry'. It seems to me that often people feel relationships should be gloriously happy all of the time and shouldn't require any work, they should be naturally easy when the reality is this just isn't the case. Any relationship takes a massive amount work and commitment regardless of whether you are married or not. Of course there is no shame in deciding to end a relationship if you are definately unhappy with the way things are but it's tricky knowing when you get to that point!!
I can't say I won't ever feel the need to leave my husband but in the past we've had rocky patches and thought about it, it just takes a fair bit more work. It's upsetting and very tiring all the extra work but things get better again and you find you've actually come out of it as a stronger couple. What I think I'm trying to get at is don't assume that just because you have the odd falling out or issue with one another doesn't mean you have to break up, people get together for a reason and that reason often gets forgotten once the relationship becomes 'the norm' rather than exciting like it is in the first year or so
They say that Marriage is full of blokes who can't believe how much their wives have changed since they married and women who can't believe how little their husbands have changed. In my own case, my wife is not the same happy, carefree woman I had fun with for two years. She first snapped at me about 10 minutes before our marriage and I wish I'd seen the writing on the wall and called a stop to it at that moment; I went through the ceremony in shock at her rudeness and have been suffering her insults for the last 14 years.
It's a bit lame sounding, but my father gave me some advice when I was in my 20's. "Ali" he said, "if you're going to get married, make sure you marry a friend".
Stuck with me that did and so far has turned out to be very good advice. My wife and I are great friends and whilst we get grumpy from time to time we get through. Secret is to TALK to each other, it's when you stop talking the trouble starts. Irritations become niggling doubts and sh*t just escalates if you don't stop it. Been there and got knocked sideways. I thought all was OK but I was an arragent sod and had no idea just how much of a PITA I had become. She fell out of Love and I was replaced... Blimey that hurt. Took about two years to sort my head out. 
Lesson learnt the hard way.
If you actually like your other half then keep them 'in the loop' so to speak. Otherwise might as well just end it now...
Why do you put up with it then globalti? Life is to short to stay put, find someone who you can have fun with and not get insulted by?
I do sometimes wonder if we're really meant to spend all our lives with one person - maybe a marriage licence should only last for a few years, and then have to be re-newed?
Mind you, my parents reached their 60th anniversary last March 
Intersting - have to say globalti I wonder what your Mrs would do if you gave her an ultimatum? Emma82 I agree it's all about hard work.
My own situation is quite different - only a few months in, everything is great bar 1 issue where she just wants to take the piss. I think an ultimatum is due, I've been round the block too many times to put up with that crap, or spend months seeing how it will turn out.
We had issues for a while but I just buried my head in the sand and thought everything would be ok, how wrong I was. It took her leaving for me to realise I was not making her happy and neglecting her and my son and letting work come first. I wanted to work through the issues but it has gone to far for her and was told the other day that there is no chance of getting bcd together, which hurt a f'ing lot.
If anything good has come from this it is I now have a much better relationship with my son, I get out on my bike when I want and I will never ever let work get in the way again. I have realised life is to short and money is not the be all and end all I had thought it was.
Why do you put up with it then globalti? Life is to short to stay put, find someone who you can have fun with and not get insulted by?
Because we have a 12 year-old child.
So your son will grow up thinking that is what a relationship is all about? Mum & Dad being miserable and just putting up with it? Like Mr 50 said above, it might not seem it but you could end up with a much healthier relationship with your son and indeed wife if you separate or at least give an ultimatum that things have to change.
....each to their own method I say. Talking stuff over can only make things worse most of the time .. She will be pissed and say something to hurt you. You will say something bad back .. What was said in a temper will then make things worse ... and still more talk??
Nah .. Get out of each others way for awhile I say.
Been with mine over 20yrs. Been a nitemare at times been great too.
An early rule I made after seeing my older brothers marriage, was never tell people you know about your problems with your partner ...nothing worse than knowing that somebody knows bad things about your other half once your all friendly again.
Anyways. I gotta get out of house for a few hours. Her mother died the night before last. She easing up on the tears slightly, but now starts the thinking back on the things I called her mother (God rest her soul)
outa sight outa mind me thinks..
Blissfully happy, thanks. Happy New Year to all.
My own parents fought like cat and dog all their lives but never separated because they were strict Catholics. It was hell for us kids when they had rows and when we married my wife and I agreed that whatever happened we would never argue in front of our child.
In the face of all the insults and sniping I decided six months into our marriage that I would simply stick to safe subjects and discuss as little as possible because I had already learned that whatever I said was the wrong thing; I believe this is called retreating into sullen silence. Now we get along OK and life is tolerable. When our child reaches 18 and goes off to uni I will need to take a decision.
Living a lie then really. Sorry I don't mean to sound so harsh it's just sad that you can't be with someone to share lots of happy times with. There is something to be said for not rocking the boat but your lad isn't 18 for another 6 years. If you stick around til then on his 18th you're going to leave his mother, he's going to ask why, you're are going to say you've been unhappy for a long time, he's going to ask why you stayed together and you are going to say.......for you of course. His world is going to crash very hard.
Living a lie then really. Sorry I don't mean to sound so harsh it's just sad that you can't be with someone to share lots of happy times with. There is something to be said for not rocking the boat but your lad isn't 18 for another 6 years. If you stick around til then on his 18th you're going to leave his mother, he's going to ask why, you're are going to say you've been unhappy for a long time, he's going to ask why you stayed together and you are going to say.......for you of course. His world is going to crash very hard.
There are very very many couples in the same situation, believe me. His life may crash but by then he will be a young adult making his own way in the world.
....think he means. As soon as kid has left for uni ... his wife is gonna have a shit storm of abuse!
There is almost always blame on both sides if you look hard enough, although 'blame' is maybe too strong a word as people can just grow apart and change/mature. Is it worth staying together just for the sake of it if that's the case?
I've pretty much given up on finding 'the one' but in your case Al there is hope. I have a mate who was in a very similar position to you at your age, who now has 5 kids and appears to be blissfully happy (he looks absolutely knackered though). As said ^^ you've got to be friends as well.
If your current girlfriend has only one issue, that doesn't sound too bad but for you to think she is 'taking the piss' with it doesn't sound good. Have you tried the tried some of the meds I see advertised which can add 3" in 3 weeks. Got to be worth a shot 
Fair enough, but don't let yourself feel it's the only option and that if you did something to make yourself happy it's going to negatively impact on him, it would be traumatic for a while but he'd get over it, just like you say he will when you tell him at 18. The big difference is you won't have spent another 6 years with a woman who is not making you happy.
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....think he means. As soon as kid has left for uni ... his wife is gonna have a shit storm of abuse!
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That may well be the case but if it is, what is the point-living another 10 years of spewing hatred at eachother meanwhile getting older and older and looking back thinking 'why the hell didn't I listen to STW' 
Have to say globalti I'm not in your shoes but I don't think I would be taking your path, life is too short.
LOL @ Woody - now I know where your handle comes from (puns intended...)
I don't believe in "the one" and am not looking for perfection, just that this girl is the latest for years (decades?) I could see my self with long term.
It's remarkable that you have managed to not co-habit so far.
Depends on what 'the issue' is I suppose and whether you can put it aside or let it irritate to the point where you hate everything else about her too. Have you seen Shallow Hal - vaguely interesting if you can put up with the irritation that is Jack Black.
There's no way I would be prepared to spend 20 years with someone in a sham marriage. I haven't read the NYE thread but from many previous posts on STW I think that many of those complaining about their marriage are simply cowards who don't have the courage to confront their partner and change things.
I also reckon that (for blokes at least) the top 3 causes for marital unhappiness are (a) financial (I can't believe how many still discuss buying bikes on the QT), (b) physical (their partner just doesn't want sex often enough) or (c) they're just not getting enough time to do stuff on their own/with mates.
The first and last of those should be resolved through discussion as soon as you're married - or even beforehand. If your relationship is based on one particular behaviour or pattern you can't expect it just to change unilaterally. Arguably, the same could be said about the sex issue but there are few of us who would feel like discussing that up-front in a rational manner.
As for there being a "the one", that's pish and tosh too. With 6 Billion people on this planet, you'd have to be incredibly lucky to meet the only person out there that's perfect for you in your short time here!
For druidh - tis true though
Been saving myself innit Woody akterlly I never wanted to just co-habit, only get hitched, prob too immature/keen/fussy so far. The issue is something she does that she acknowledges is out of order, just to wind me up - not a good sign IMO, CBA waiting ages to find out by default.
Agreeing on everything and never having an argument would be incredibly boring.
globalti - may I suggest looking at your situation from a different perspective? What message do you think your child is getting about relationships? Do you want him to think that it's 'normal'?
I'm of course speaking from personal experience. Twas interesting having a discussion with my adult son and him talking about his younger years. He found it strange that his parents didn't really spend any time together.
Life is too short to be stuck in a miserable relationship.
I think that many of those complaining about their marriage are simply cowards who don't have the courage to confront their partner and change things.
Who's complaining? The married men I know are all very discrete about their marriages. I'm only allowing myself to mention it on here because of the anonymity of the forum. As for being a coward, I stood up in front of all my friends and family 14 years ago and made a solemn vow, which included the words "for better or for worse". That doesn't sound like cowardice to me, it sounds like loyalty and determination.
I also reckon that (for blokes at least) the top 3 causes for marital unhappiness are (a) financial (I can't believe how many still discuss buying bikes on the QT), (b) physical (their partner just doesn't want sex often enough) or (c) they're just not getting enough time to do stuff on their own/with mates.
A rather simplistic view of a complicated situation, though you may be right in citing these as the top three reasons.
may I suggest looking at your situation from a different perspective? What message do you think your child is getting about relationships? Do you want him to think that it's 'normal'?
You are absolutely right, this does concern me but how many children are actually brought up in a family where the parents are still openly lovey-dovey after a decade or two of marriage?
You are absolutely right, this does concern me but how many children are actually brought up in a family where the parents are still openly lovey-dovey after a decade or two of marriage?
Substitute 'lovey-dovey' for 'warm/caring/respectful'. Yes marriage changes particularly so when there's children.
Let me ask a question - when you wake up in the morning, how do you feel, ie do you wish you were somewhere else?
I do sometimes wonder if we're really meant to spend all our lives with one person
I strongly agree with this. We are continually evolving.
I don't believe in "the one" and am not looking for perfection
S'interesting that, in't it?
One of me best mates has bin with his wife now for over twenty years I think it is now. She was only the second girl he'd ever properly gone out with. They were together for seven years before they got married, and tbh I can't see them ever parting. They've recently adopted a little girl, and there aren't many other couples I know who are so 'complete'. In some ways I'm very envious. Several other friends are in/have had some utterly disastrous and destructive long-term relationships; one mate in particular is in a right old state with a scheming, manipulative bitchfromhell who has properly wrecked his life. But he 'loves her'. It's just sick, from my perspective. I can see it killing him or at least leave him a complete wreck for the rest of his life. Call me selfish, but there's no way on Earth I'd suffer even a fraction of what he goes through.
Had a think about stuff recently, looking at 'failures' in my life, trying to get some perspective on what needs to be fixed/improved/discarded/abandoned etc, and thought about the past relationships with women I've bin in. Out of all of them,there's praps only one woman I could really see myself with now, and as much as it may have hurt at the time the relationships ended, I can honestly say I'm glad they did.
In more recent relationships, I've bin extremely mindful of not getting in too deep unless I can genuinely and clearly see a positive future in it for both of us. This doesn't mean the other person is in any way flawed or 'wrong', but as much as they need to be 'right' for me, I need to be 'right' for them. I feel it's important for me to think like this, to employ such caution, cos although it might mean a lack of short term fun, it could definitely save a whole heap of pain and trouble further down the road. Not considering the potential impact on the other person is utterly selfish and even irresponsible, imo.
when you wake up in the morning, how do you feel, ie do you wish you were somewhere else?
Ha ha, yes, I am instantly awake and wanting to be out of bed and downstairs having the first cup of tea of the day.
But to answer your question in the way you want, no; I yearn to be out in the wilds of Scotland waking up in a tent or a bothy or getting up in moonlight in an Alpine refuge but that is something most people from a mountaineering/outdoors background probably yearn for. On the whole I enjoy being at home in familiar surroundings, warm, clean and dry in an environment I can control. When my wife and I met we recognised that we would probably be able to get along even if things weren't that great, so we got married. We have proved ourselves right in that respect - we have the same attitude to money and to bringing up our child and we both enjoy skiing, walking and cycling so life is tolerable. I think it's unrealistic to expect much more than that.
I met Mrscarlos at the end of '88 at work , despite getting those tickly feelings young(and old) men get in their nether regions we were just good mates for nearly 2 years.
One night we all went out and as occasionally happened the nightclub we went to ran out of her BF's favoutite beer so he went home leaving her with his mates and the rest of us knowing that we'd see her home safely.
Unfortunately for him it was me that was looking after her that night 
, to this day we don't know who made the first move but we were all over each other like a rash.
After 8 months we'd got a mortgage together and moved in , it took us another 13 years to get round to getting married and anther 2 before children made our happy lives even better.
It's not all been plain sailing like most couples we have the odd spat/argument but we never go to bed with things unresolved and we talk if there's anything bothering either of us.
It might be a bit finger down throat but I can honestly say that my wife is the best thing that ever happened to me.
Back when we got married, I would have said the former, now, or at least after last night, the latter. Mind you, I guess it's at least half my fault, but that just means it's half hers.
Yes, the house move is putting stress on us both, as are other things. Yes, the Champix side effects aren't helping me either (I've decided to come off them now), but I try to be nice to her and don't get it back (sometimes).
I don't know. Maybe calling it a day is an option, but I really just want her to go back to being the lovely woman that I married. I just don't know how I can get her back, or whether I need to change to do that.
What's worse is that the only person I can talk to is the faceless entity that is STW.
Quite interesting though cos amongst my circle of female friends who are of a similar age, most are in unhappy marriages. Seems to be normal that once kids have left home, the common ground is no longer there.
It reached the stage where every morning I would wake up and think 'oh no here we go again, I really don't want to be here'. So eventually did something about it. Looking back I should have had the strength to do so sooner instead of now feeling that life has pretty much passed me by. 
Wow, can't imagine going through life thinking that it's OK because it's "tolerable".
Every situation is different, but I don't understand why some people put so much emphasis on "staying together for the sake of the kids". My parents divorced - amicably - when I was 10 years old and I can honestly say it was the best thing that could have happened in my life. Not because I didn't like my Dad - he's great - but because my mum went on to meet someone completely different, which shaped the way my own life has gone. I wouldn't have had half of the experiences I've had if my mum didn't meet my step-dad. My dad has also gone on to remarry, and a lovely lady she is too.
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