Sorry, on a serious note I've never seen soo much crap written on one thread. Appalling to attack the Mother. Utter toss. Some of you should be ashamed and get out (and not on a bike) abit more into the outside world. **** all empathy.
Seriously, delete my login. Sick of STW and what its become.
May i point out that some thought should be given to GB for the loss of his son just a few years back. I am sure he feels every last bit of pain the Mother in the paper feels. To assume he is callous or lacking in compassion in this instance is to dismiss the grief he has suffered.
What does that say about his detractors in this instance?
Sure he isn't perfect - it must be the worst job in Britain to do - but how he doesn't crack under the obvious pressure he is under amazes me.
Put things in perspective and think and suddenly it all kind of seems not too bad that he mis-spelled something.
I am with TZF on this if we are picking teams! 
Seriously, delete my login. Sick of STW and what its become.
Mods! Quick Quickly.
Oh, just remembered, how many different logins have you had now?
Seriously, delete my login. Sick of STW and what its become
lol, nice temper tantrum. Do you lack the mental strength to just not come back?
Oh and make sure you rinse your dummy under the tap before you stick it back in.
Good point thebikechain, although to be pedantic is was his daughter who died. However, I agree that those criticising him seem to be conveniently overlooking this. Those who have lost children will know that it is an all encompassing grief that never leaves you, no matter what the circumstances of their death. Burying a child is something no-one should ever have to go through.
Hora, whilst you have spouted some shite on this thread you are right that it is appalling to attack the mother. She is being shamelessly exploited by the Scum and ultimately Murdoch to achieve their political ends.
Gordon Brown, for all his faults, is taking the time to hand-write letters to those who have suffered loss. Perhaps he would be better wordprocessing a slick communique which printed his signature and everything? Impersonal? Maybe, but it would please the presentation obsessed members of society.
Sorry - it was his daughter. Thanks for the correction.
Sorry, on a serious note I've never seen soo much crap written on one thread. Appalling to attack the Mother. Utter toss. Some of you should be ashamed and get out (and not on a bike) abit more into the outside world. **** all empathy.Seriously, delete my login. Sick of STW and what its become.
While no-one knows in this case, there are plenty of people out there who would use it as a cash cow and see it as some recompense for their loss. Not everyone has morals, to NOT question the actions would be rediculous and myopic. You can close your ears and chant all you want, but people like that exist.
Have you actually read the transcript of the conversation?
I once saw a TV programme about a Guardian (female) journalist who spent a week working at the Sun.
When she had been unable to get the interview that she had been assigned, her mentor told her to just make it up.
She suggested that this would be unethical, to which her mentor (male) responded:
"Sorry darling, you have me confused with someone who gives a f*ck"...
Not just to sell papers either, but also to engineer the election result as part of a 'deal' done with Cameron on Europe. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I agree. I think this has far more to do with the Sun's editor Rebekah Wade, wanting to please Rupert Murdoch who knows full well that his greatest rival in the world the BBC, is far more likely to come under attack from a Conservative government. And also under a Conservative government, the BBC is more likely to lose it's monopoly over the licence fee.
Everything the Sun does in this respect is calculated. Timing is crucial, and the Sun's announcement that it would be backing the Tories during Labour's conference was no coincidence - it was designed to cause Gordon Brown as much damage as possible.
Likewise the Sun's latest personal attack on Gordon Brown will have been deliberate and calculated. Jamie Janes died over 5 weeks ago, Mrs Janes would therefore have received the letter from Gordon Brown probably over a month ago. Presumably if Mrs Jane had been incensed by it she would have gone to a newspaper straight away - not waited a month to do so.
So it would appear that the Sun sat on the "story" for quite a while, and waited until the day after Remembrance Sunday and a few days before Armistice Day to break it.
It is clear that the Sun has cynically exploited a grieving mother and a nation's mourning for it's dead service men and women, to launch a politically motivated vitriolic attack and score some cheap points - and we complain about our politicians !
All this btw, from Britain's most warmongering newspaper, which of course is foreign owned.
Ironically the Sun's attempt to vilify Gordon Brown appears to have spectacularly backfired on them. Many people (with the obvious exception of Hora) who would normally be very critical of Gordon Brown, have expressed a great deal sympathy for him ** Indeed the Sun has even drawn attention to the fact that he writes personally the family of deceased service men and women. Well done 'My Sun'.
**When in fact rather than sympathy, Gordon Brown deserves to be attacked for constantly repeating the blatant lie that British forces are in propping up a corrupt Afghan government (which passes laws making it legal for men to starve their wives) to keep Britain's streets free from terrorism.
Seriously, delete my login. Sick of STW and what its become.
Ooh ooh... Why have I only just seen this now? Why did no one call me?
it is appalling to attack the mother
Presumably then the Sun contacted her on the off chance that she might have a story for them regarding her dead son? Surely its very much more likely she has precipitated this, and I'm afraid thats then her resposnibility. No argument that shes in a horrible place and everyone sympathises with that, but frankly her behaviour to date is not respectful to her son, who I suspect might well have been extremely embarressed by her behaviour. I for one, knowing personally how the Scum operate still have the smell of a cheque book in my nostrils. Sorry, but thats how they are.
Do it Mark. Go on, you know you want to!
Today is going to be a good day...
Mark - Administrator.
Ooh ooh... Why have I only just seen this now?
Because you were too busy linking your text ads to an oh so very hilarious bunch of ****tters?
Can we swap him for Rude Boy/Fred?
CFH.. You mean the text ad bought and paid for by an advertiser
I find myself sort of agreeing with Ernie and a few others over this.
There are enough serious issues to nail Gordon Brown to the wall over without having to resort to this kind of gutter sniping.
I detest the fellow as I think he has, as both Chancellor of the Exchequer and PM, been a disaster for this country. But with the hounding from 'The Sun' and other elements of the press over this, a complete non-story, I find myself actually feeling sorry for him.
As for Mrs Janes, well she has no doubt been through a whirlwind of emotions that very few of us will be able to draw comparisons to and is it seems looking for someone to blame. This is hardly unexpected and considering the poor support the government of this country is giving to British forces (though its nothing new, governments through the years have treated the military poorly) who are engaged in a war in some far, foreign field, targeting GB as both the man who previously held the purse strings and now the man at the top with whom the buck stops is logical. The manner in which she (they) launched their attack is not though.
GB has a visual disability which causes poor handwriting, but as has become the trend for PMs of the UK, he writes personally to the relatives of service personnel killed on operations overseas. At least the letters are definitely of his hand rather than some bland typed letter kicked out from the typing pool then plonked under GB's nose for a signature.
In that case, Mark, I despair of the quality of your advertisers!
Correction to my last post - Rebekah Wade was replaced as Sun editor by Dominic Mohan on 2 September.
Which possibly explains quite a lot.......... I reckon the new boy might be in for a fair bollocking from Rupert, for having done more damage to the Sun's reputation, than to Gordon Brown's reputation.
So given that 25% of any given market is deemed to be a monopoly and anti competitive, how much of a monopoly does News International actually have ?
Seems to me that this whole morass is more to do with Murdoch protecting his empire rather than anything else. Successive governments have failed to act to protect press and TV independance in this country, and presumably recruiting one side or t'other in the run up to a General Election is what this is all about.
As of now my number one question for any canvasser is what do you propose to do about the independance of the press in this country.
could be worse could be italy
the only interesting thing about the whole of new international and the times is their daily berlusconi bashing as murdochs so bitter someone else has the monopoly in italy
i stopped buying the times a long time ago, would never buy the sun and never pay for sky
how else can i snub murdoch?
murdoch is scum shocker!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/11/rupert-murdoch-barack-obama
Ha Ha Ha ....... the Sun newspaper got Jacqui Janes name WRONG
...... it referred to her on it's website as Jacqui Jones !
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/11/the-sun-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-get-a-name-wrong/
I wonder if they will be issuing an apoligy ?
I wonder if they will be issuing an apoligy ?
Not sure, but they might issue an apology! 
Well since you've spotted it Captain, I won't edit it
Mistakes are easily made - aye ?
(I don't think GB misspelt her name btw - just that his 'n' could be mistaken for an 'm')
The second this news story came out, I sensed that it was little to do with the mother and all to do with The Sun vs Gordon Brown/New/Old Labour. I can't believe it's taken a few days for some others (not necessarily STW, just the population in general) to come to the same conclusion. It seems it's beginning to backfire on The Sun just a tad - no doubt, the BBC realises that it's best to just hang on the negative side - seeing as The Sun's owner wants to smash the BBC to smithereens. I notice the uncle of the dead soldier was on the BBC today saying that he questioned the mother's judgement.
You know, if The Sun was run and written by the same people at who it's aimed, that would almost be fair enough. However, you only have to listen to some of the journos that have been wheeled out in the last few days to give radio interviews and ex-Sun employees who have done the same to realise that they'd be equally at home writing for newspapers that credit their readership with a modicum of intelligence. This, to me, has always been the slightly sinister thing about the red tops.
It's probably best not to castigate anybody for trying to do the right thing even if they are not so careful in the way that they do it. The Sun is learning this lesson this week. As more of an "old" labour type than a "new", I feel far more comfortable that The Sun is back supporting the party that made me hate it in the first place (amongst other things).
Left leg or right leg?
I feel sorry for Gordo trying to do the right thing as well.
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