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The forum is worse, much much worse since the “update”. That is the bottom line here.
Anybody noticed when singletrack posts turn up in Google Searches the dates of the threads are shown wrong in the Google results? I had one that said 4 days ago, go to the singletrack page and it was 2 Years old!
I guess this means it not quite right still?
Will check back in a few days to see if it's working again, or could we just have an email to let us know when it functions for non-IT people?
Only buttons I see are preview and submit, the profile menu about the forum and recent posts is pretty much a copy of the forum front page.
Just for my own reference to find this post again and any replies, page 35 at time of posting.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">The forum is worse, much much worse since the “update”. That is the bottom line here.</span>
quote function is a farce
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You off than HammyUk?Ok bye.
Bit of a bellend post there Drac.
No-one is forcing you to be a sycophant.
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The forum is worse, much much worse since the “update”. That is the bottom line here.
I wonder if the quoting is working properly yet. Preview seems ok.....
EDIT: Ok, that would be no then.
EDIT2: Hard to argue with Jamba's point really. The fact that the "preview" shows one thing, and the final post something else, is just a sad joke.
After pressing submit, it takes a long time for all the cogs to slip into place and for the page to refreshe to show my contribution, nugget of wisdom or witty quip.
In fact, generally I'm finding the site to be slower, these things are noticeable with 1.3Mbps download speed and 0.5 up. Other sites however do not appear to be as slow.
iPad, Safari, 10.3.3
Edit is working now. Daren't try the quote thing again just yet, it scares me...
The forum as it is currently is perfectly usable.
I think just about manageable or just about usable is a much more accurate description.
I've not read this entire thread as it's full of whining old men/ladies but I'm curious about what forum engine is being used. Anyone know? (I could probably find out if i could be bothered to do a view source but I'm being lazy).
The quoting thing is strange, never seen that before outside of MS Word. Much as I sympathise with the STW developers moving towards MS Word peculiarities is not a good direction 🙂
https://bbpress.org/ - Mark mentioned that somewhere early on in the thread, though there are lots of class names in the HTML starting 'bbp-' - the main site also appears to be built using Wordpress
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">The forum is worse, much much worse since the “update”. That is the bottom line here.</span>
This I'm afraid. I do have to laugh at all the 'stop moaning' comments. For a start, most of it isn't moaning, it's feedback, if the tech guys can't handle that then they're in the wrong job. Secondly, why put up with a drop in quality of service other than the obvious answer that most of us are British and it's part of our national character?
When is the forum RSS feed resurrecting?
And to re-iterate points above, I rarely use search here but RSS, my forum activity and favourites were all things I used to interact here.
Another issue (which may or may not have been tracked already - don't know, and am certainly not trawling page by page through this behemoth thread)
Forum history (within my profile) - doesn't work for checking on threads I've replied to - I can see chronological list of all my replies to threads, but can't seem to find a way of jumping to that thread from there, nor can I do anything sensible from that point. On then seeing if it is working for threads I've started (not that many - not a 'big hitter' I guess), I can see all the replies, but not my original post. (Windows 10, Chrome)
Suggestion: take the forum offline except to testers until this place is fixed. I've certainly found I'm drifting on here a LOT less since the 'update', as I can't be bothered to read threads where almost all of the posts are laced with daft html crap. Sorry, but it's just rubbish.
Quote/<span style=”color: #444444; font-size: 16px;”>The forum is worse, much much worse since the “update”. That is the bottom line here.</span>
This I’m afraid. I do have to laugh at all the ‘stop moaning’ comments. For a start, most of it isn’t moaning, it’s feedback, if the tech guys can’t handle that then they’re in the wrong job. Secondly, why put up with a drop in quality of service other than the obvious answer that most of us are British and it’s part of our national character?/Quote
Yep, terrible here too - only the preview button (which doesn't work) visible. I'd normally browse here every day, but not since the forum 'updates' - threads are almost unreadable with all the coding visible.
I'm sure somewhere in the 35 pages I'm not reading the forum search button disappearing has been mentioned?
Samsung mobile browser... search just seems to cover articles amd news items.
Gavin yes that has been mentioned numerous times (unable to see / jump to, threads you have contributed too)
Search is not really an issue as it never worked anyway! The quoting thing is an annoyance. But the inability to find threads you’ve posted in is a major usability issue, that needs fixing first IMO.
But the inability to find threads you’ve posted in is a major usability issue, that needs fixing first IMO.
+1 and fixing it will lead to a quick uptick in traffic I'm sure
Most importantly though, the killfile's stopped working and I'm seeing comments from Jambalaya
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[b]Leigh2612[/b] wrote:
I’m sure somewhere in the 35 pages I’m not reading the forum search button disappearing has been mentioned?
Samsung mobile browser… search just seems to cover articles amd news items.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Asingletrackworld.com+forum works fine (always has worked better than the official search)
[b]chakaping[/b] wrote:
Most importantly though, the killfile’s stopped working and I’m seeing comments from Jambalaya
I'm afraid you'll have to switch to Chrome as I've fixed the extension for that (though it's still an unofficial release, see d/l link and instructions at http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/forum-update/page/29/ )
Just to reiterate the search point, I don't have that bookmarked, but it was the first hit for https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Asingletrackworld.com+forum+aracer+chrome+extension
The italics issue is bloody random.
How did this poster manager to com up with [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/a-certain-ratio/ ]this[/url] crap?!
Bit of a bellend post there Drac.No-one is forcing you to be a sycophant.
Customer service and all that. The argument that the forum is a freebie is a bit of a stretch though, as we know it's a "product" and some of us pay directly rather than just as eyeballs for advertisers.
It's clear the forum is a retrograde step. As I said before, I won't be renewing my P until it's a bit more functional as I visit far less now than before.
Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn't in use? Just for interest's sake
“Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn’t in use? Just for interest’s sake”
Oh, just reasons. This too will be fixed once they’ve finished reinventing google, but not at the weekend.
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Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn’t in use? Just for interest’s sake
I think they don't consider it necessary - which on the surface seems a reasonable argument, but is somewhat flawed when you look in more detail. Because if I fire up Fiddler and look at the transaction going in clear over the internet when I make this post I can see a wordpress_logged_in_XXXXX token going in clear over the internet which could be intercepted and enable posting on here.
Though as soon as you go to any user profile stuff eg https://singletrackworld.com/members/aracer/ and downwards they do use HTTPS, so clearly they can and that kind of blows away any argument for not doing so on the whole forum.
I’m surprised anyone is surprised that the people running the site don’t care about the user experience.
Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn’t in use?
It would help their SEO if https was used as well.
Edit, quoting was relatively painless that time
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">Edit, quoting was relatively painless that time</span>
<testing quoting >
Sigh.............................
Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn’t in use?
Not sure about that i’ll see if I can get an answer.
Also, is there a reason that HTTPS isn’t in use? Just for interest’s sake
This is not an official statement, just my opinion:
1) Using TLS would add additional load to the server; not much in and of itself, but processing every single transaction over https would be probably be quite significant. It would be madness to do this unless there was a good reason to do so. Which leads to,
2) There's little reason to do so. Are you seriously concerned about a man-in-the-middle attack when posting a "what tyres" question? It's a web forum. Transactions that should require a secure connection - such as passing credentials around when logging in - do use https.
I’m surprised anyone is surprised that the people running the site don’t care about the user experience.
If they didn't care about the user experience then why are they spending lots of time, effort and money redoing the site to make it better?
quoting was relatively painless that time
Even a numpty can do it! 😊
Edit: what happened there then? Oh Android tablet and SwiftKey keeps putting random letters in for me.
I'll see if Simon canccan shos an examexa .. That's supposed to say something else! **** it!
Hmmm!
Yes Drac , stills shite! It put me an extra s in theret... And the t
Yes Drac , stills shite! It put me an extra s in theret… And the t
It’s clumsy still the swiftkey thing is weird doesn’t happen with Apple and Google keyboard for me.
Drac.
The extra letters / autocorrect happen for me on iPhone running the latest iOS / safari. I’ve noticed it happens more often two lines down from using the quote / clear format buttons.
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Don't even know whether defect reporting is wanted, but something is still borked on the timestamps.
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The extra letters / autocorrect happen for me on iPhone running the latest iOS / safari. I’ve noticed it happens more often two lines down from using the quote / clear format buttons.
Cheers I can’t seem to simulate that.
Ha! Quote broke.
Don’t even know whether defect reporting is wanted
It is, thank you.
1) Using TLS would add additional load to the server; not much in and of itself, but processing every single transaction over https would be probably be quite significant. It would be madness to do this unless there was a good reason to do so. Which leads to,2) There’s little reason to do so. Are you seriously concerned about a man-in-the-middle attack when posting a “what tyres” question? It’s a web forum. Transactions that should require a secure connection – such as passing credentials around when logging in – do use https.
SSL termination on network devices is relatively trivial and if I ran websites I'd be engineering things the best way possible rather than looking at things like it was still 2005. As Sandwich said, the SEO benefit is quite possibly worth the small extra cost (the company I used to work for in the UK happily threw this in for free if you asked nicely).
As an aside, you're not winning people over getting defensive. Yes it is just a web forum, but likely to be a quiet one if mods and staff get all shirty.
If they didn’t care about the user experience then why are they spending lots of time, effort and money redoing the site to make it better?
They are? They've done a good job of hiding it then.
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If they didn’t care about the user experience then why are they spending lots of time, effort and money redoing the site to make it better?
I suspect you need to work out the definition of "better" here. Hint: it's similar to the question of who the customer is if you're getting it for free, and also related to why they don't just embed https://cse.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=002353871167780190211:ffna6g0opko in their page (see I did a custom one now - it even comes with code which means you wouldn't have to leave the comfort of the STW site - and it's a hint for those using the extension).
you’re not winning people over getting defensive
I'm not being defensive, I'm trying to offer my best guess at an explanation.
Yes it is just a web forum, but likely to be a quiet one if mods and staff get all shirty.
My point was, it's "just" a forum in terms of security requirements, as opposed to say an Internet banking site. STW has never been served over https as long as I've been a member, now someone mentions it in passing fourteen hundred posts into an update feedback thread and suddenly it's an issue and we're being shirty in replying? Do me a quaver.
SSL is really important TBH not just for security but for DPR compliance and the fact that search engines will cease to rank http sites. With GDPR on the horizon STW would be on a sticky wicket were they to suffer a data breach down to a cookie stolen over http. It really should be sorted and I'm sure they know that. Services such as Cloudfront make it a cinch.
Cougar - no one has accused you of getting shirty.
That one was firmly levelled at another Mod.
INRAT
So: How do I get to a thread I've contributed to via the list of posts I've made in my posting history?
If I start a thread I can get back to it if I post in one there's no link from history to the thread.
What hammy said. I appreciate having taken the metaphorical (or literal for staff) STW shilling that people feel obliged to be supportive but a forum is a community "made" by the users for the most part and all people want is to have some feedback and some fixes to the most urgent problems rather than creating a fix for a search that has been mostly crap for years.
So: How do I get to a thread I’ve contributed to via the list of posts I’ve made in my posting history?
You can't. That's a new feature. You're welcome.
You currently can’t wwas it will return in some form.
Hammy et al means me Cougar due to my response to Hammy.
ok, ta.
I'll go back to INRAT now 🙂
You currently can’t wwas it will return in some form.
And it has. Click the # link under the post in the "Replies created" list.
Re: https, this is on the cards but there are some technical issues with non-https content to address first which is why it's not currently implemented site-wide.
Just popped by to mention that.
Not sure if it had been there for ages and I'd just not noticed.
It's good, prefer having the text of the reply visible, would be nice to have the thread title in there as well.
Lots of other issues still with mobile and W10/Chrome, I'm sure they've been addressed above.
Whats happend to my favorite forum topics? in my profile? They are all gone. Can I have them back please?
and whats happened to the forum search? I want to get back on the Alfa thread
I'm not reading 36 pages of this thread to find out!
I've found a new feature what I likes - when you post a link you can make it open in a new tab. That's good, everyone should use that. Upgrade was worth it.
I take it this is known and being addressed but it seems to effect some folk more than others but all the funny <div> , <span> . things that appear when you copy and paste and even hitting remove formatting does not remove makes many posts unreadable.
It's 'favourite'.
Still not seeing my profile, IOS safari/ipad
too many redirects.
Why did the useful thread telling us how to find the link to our past replies get closed?
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Whats happend to my favorite forum topics? in my profile? They are all gone. Can I have them back please?
It's broken.
and whats happened to the forum search? I want to get back on the Alfa thread
A new and improved one is going to be implemented soon.
Why did the useful thread telling us how to find the link to our past replies get closed?
If you read the useful thread, you'll find out.
Still not seeing my profile, IOS safari/ipad
too many redirects.
I've added this to the list. Anyone else seeing similar?
@mr, are you running the latest iOS? That's been reported as fixing some other iDiosyncrasies previously.
If you read the useful thread, you’ll find out
What/which useful thread?
The [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-to-view-threads-you-responded-to-on-the-new-forum/#post-9823006 ]useful thread[/url] that you were talking about, of course!
Oh, I see. You said you'd close that thread because the info is here in this thread… is it?
Can we not just have a sticky thread that tells us these things as they get sorted? Make it so that only staff and moderators can post in it, so it just has the useful information… not loads of us confusingly asking the same questions, in different ways… so that people can be pointed to that sticky semi-closed thread for definitive and current help in using this evolving forum?
Pointing people to this thread isn't that helpful.
<i>Can we not just have a sticky thread that tells us these things as they get sorted?</i>
I think this was supposed to be it originally. Drac mentioned he [i]might[/i] set up a new one...
Why does the site keep trying to use html codes when it should be BBcodes. Bloody freaky
It sure is a mangled mess under the bonnet eh?
# - ye gods, something actually works/ has improved!
probably just as well that link doesn’t imbed 🤣
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">If they didn’t care about the user experience then why are they spending lots of time, effort and money redoing the site to make it better?</span>
i have yet to see any change to this forum which has made it easier to use, read, be part of etc etc, apart from PM’s being introduced.
I mean seriously, you can’t even quote someone without it looking like you’ve short circuited your keyboard. :rolleyes:
I mean seriously, you can’t even quote someone without it looking like you’ve short circuited your keyboard. :rolleyes:
Some can, some can’t.
Copied text, put in reply box, highlighted it and pressed quote. Not my fault if the site code is messed up. I could start a free off the shelf forum which would do that no problem.
Yup like I said some can some can’t. For me it works 90% of the time then it’ll just decide it won’t bother. I’m sure I could too but it would just be a forum serving very few, no integration with a website, subscription service and no previous database to work with.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">For me it works 90% of the time</span>
And for me (without editing) precisely 0%... it’s like, really great.
You’re in the can’t camp.
If it helps at all we (mods) have raised the concerns around the BB Code as priority fix.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">The </span>useful thread<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;"> that you were talking about, of course!</span>
Cant do it 🙁
Oh youtube links don’t work for me no matter what I do.
CANT
Ohh... I can CANT.
Or Can Can
