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Maybe it's different for some people, but I have noticed that my scrotum doesn't detach if I have to wait for another driver to wake up/move over.
And sitting here, I don't regret those lost seconds.
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Does it help to add that I drive a BMW and ride a BMW
TJ in high horse non shocker
Cheers, Rich
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Coffeeking - really? A caricature you say? Over exaggeration for comic effect? Me
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Maybe it's different for some people, but I have noticed that my scrotum doesn't detach if I have to wait for another driver to wake up/move over.
Good for you that you have so few things to fit into a day that a few minutes are not important to you. What would you do if they didn't move over, as is often the case?
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Coffeeking - really? A caricature you say? Over exaggeration for comic effect? Me
Are you trolling in tandem with renton. A team effort really isn't fair you know!
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No conspiacy and I do believe what I say. However I may just have over egged the pudding a little bit.
I do find it hard to understand why a cycling forum has so many cock drivers on it tho. And you really don't save any significant time by driving like a cock.
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TJ, yes you are showing yourself to be a bit of a muppet, aren't you?!
Is undertaking actually illegal? I'm sure I discussed this a month or two ago with my other half who is a Police Officer. I think I had done a similar thing to Renton above & was asking her about it with regards to where I stood within the law.
She basically said that it would depend how you'd been driving prior to undertaking someone, how much time you gave the person to move over before undertkaing, whether your driving appeared aggressive or not etc. etc. You probably wouldn't be stopped unless you were already seen to be driving like an idiot, hadn't given the car time to get out of the way, were driving aggressively etc.Oh and yes, more times than not you will get there faster. At the end (or indeed the start) of a long commute, why should I be happy & willing to be delayed by someone else who is not driving correctly. If I have an empty lane next to me and it's safe, I will use it.
if people are being muppets then get out of their way and leave them to it - legally not by untertaking or speeding.
And how do you get out of their way, while not undertaking. Your only other option is to slow down & sit behind them. Picture the scenario - 3am in the morning, the roads are dead. You catch up to a car in the outside lane of a dual carriageway doing 40mph......would you undertake?
Undertaking is never acceptable.
Erm.....I'd have thought making incorrect sweeping statements is unacceptable. There are in fact MANY occasions where undertaking is perfectly acceptable.
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Mister P - Member
Renton, if you are so important you need to get to work on time why not leave a little earlier instead?
Talk about completely missing the point. We are discussing peoples lack of lane disaplin, and how those who obviously have none get somewhat upset at the use of a perfectly reasonable signal to let them know of your presance as detailed in the highway code signals section part 110.
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Just ignore him, overtake when safe and drive normally FFS.
BMW owners? nah just majority of car drivers are late etc and funny they walk normally but can't drive with manners.
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Not missing the point at all. I agree the BMW should not have been in the outside lane. However I do not agree with Renton using the reasoning for being late for work to perform an undertaking manouvre. Would being a couple of minutes late make that much difference?
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I do find it hard to understand why a cycling forum has so many cock drivers on it tho. And you really don't save any significant time by driving like a cock.
It's not, maybe you're just too far the other way?
Incidentally, you do save a LOT of time (assuming you don't die/kill someone). While not recommending the action and realising afterwards that it wasn't the best thing to do and didn't help, I once got a call about a close family member having a heart attack and being taken to hospital pronto and "needed" to get there fast. I was 28 miles from the hospital, I was in the centre of a city, they were in the centre of another town. Normal driving time (chilled week-day commute speeds) down the motorways it takes about an hour, maybe slightly under. I made it in 36 minutes, without running anyone off the road or jumping reds, just by driving marginally faster than the limit (at times, and not in built up areas) and not dawdling behind people going slowly. It IS faster, and it can be significantly. But it can be more dangerous too, obviously.
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Interesting way the thread has gone. Lots of sterotyping. If the BMW 325 was a petrol then it's almost certainly a not a IT / middle management / rep mobile. There are bad drivers out there of all types and driving all sorts of cars. In the past I've been tailgated by an aggressive driver....in a Prius FFS.
EDIT ....maybe it was just their brakes not working thinking about it
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I've been tailgated by an aggressive driver....in a Prius FFS.
As a friend of mine said, "nothing screams 'I dont get it' more than a prius driving aggressively at 80mph".
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whilst everyone else is arguing about undertaking, driving in excess of 100mph, road rage, the two second rule, flashing lights, knobbers driving BMWs etc....
...all I want to know is what happened to the Renault Clio, did it vanish into thin air ?
clio pulls over and i move up behind this bmw and give him a friendly flash to let him know and get him to move over as the inside and middle lanes are empty for at least 1/2 mile.
Kev
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You should try towing a caravan.:-)
Travelling at a constant 55-60mph might get you there a bit later, but with loads less stress.Have to admit to blasting past a few lane hoggers when I had a motorbike though. Drop a gear & you've passed before they've noticed.
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all I want to know is what happened to the Renault Clio, did it vanish into thin air ?
You are assuming the clio was also driving faster than the car that refused to pull over?
Travelling at a constant 55-60mph might get you there a bit later, but with loads less stress.
Not if you were in holiday journeys with my family it isn't
I actually quite like towing, but it is even more stressful than normal driving because the people you could normally pass happily at 55/60 you can't, you're stuck in with the ditherers, you can't get out into the middle lane because people forget theyre overtaking and just sit next to you ignoring your indicators and failing to predict that you might want to pull out because you're approaching the next vehicle slowly. When you find a middle-lane-hogger you can't pass them legally and undertaking with a heavy load would be dangerous due to the inability to take evasive action. Nightmare scenario ! Posted 2 years ago # -
ah the clio had pulled into inside lane that was clear and carried on on its merry way
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Coffee King... nope. Clio pulls over at 60mph. Our STW driver then tells us he flashed the BMW (both cars also travelling at 60mph at this moment 'cause no one has yet accelerated) to move over as there is no traffic in either of the lanes to the left for half a mile.
What happened to the Clio ? Surely it must have been within half a mile of the other two cars using the inside or middle lane ?
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Keva - you're making massive assumptions. 1) that the clio was doing 60mph in the first place, 2) that it was sufficiently close to be involved in the situation (other than a passing comment). But assuming it was in the inside lane, what of it?
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Ive just p[osted up there^^^^^^^ clio undertook and carried on in the inside lane!!
by the time i had got passed the beemer the clio had caught the other traffic up.
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Why can't we just all get along? Why does such aggression and tension have to exist on the daily commute, just because 'we' are inside little tin cans designed to rip ridiculous amounts of money out of our pockets for the benefit of others, just to show who has more money then who?
I'm getting increasingly bored with the rat race! What is the point?
Can you tell I was 40 recently?
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coffeeking - Member
Good for you that you have so few things to fit into a day that a few minutes are not important to you. What would you do if they didn't move over, as is often the case?
If you have to slow from 70 to 60 mph for an hour it cost you about 8 1/2 minutes.It's unlikely you would have to sit behind a driver for more than 5 minutes before they became aware of you. Total time cost is less than a minute, which I am sure you could make up with your superior driving skills.
The roads are for everyone - from young heroes with razor sharp reactions, ancient grannies doddering off to visit family, harassed mothers with a car full of screamers, and reps in a hurry. If you can't allow for the lowest common denominator in these situations maybe it's time to take a road skills course.
BTW what do you do when you get stuck behind a cyclist on a narrow road?
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Keva - surely Renton meant that the carriageway was clear for at least 1/2 a mile AHEAD?? Rather than perhaps 1/2 a mile in front & 1/2 a mile behind........?
The assumption being that as the middle and inside lanes were clear for 1/2 a mile (ahead) the lane hog had nothing impeding him moving into a more suitable lane).
The Renault Clio driver was irrelevant at this point in the proceedings. He was probably more concerned about his bonnet flying open without warning to get involved in this little feud.
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stumpy is correct !! mway was clear for at least 1/2 mile ahead, no reason for bmw to be where it was.
like me the clio driver had probably tried to make him aware he was in the wrong lane for the speed and conditions and got fed up so undertook.
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I rarely exceed 70mph 9there is no point as you don't get anywhere quicker) and I get sick of idiots flashing me or sitting on my bumper, I slow down a bit if they do it. I am sorry but unless you are a police officer you don't tell me what to do ta v much. Yes there are idiots on the road, but everyone will be an idiot in someone elses eye.
Don't even get me started on slip road discipline! Do people joining the motorway not realise it's not their right of way. I almost got wiped out by some halfwit going to fast whilst joining the motorway.Posted 2 years ago # -
I rarely exceed 70mph 9there is no point as you don't get anywhere quicker)
Well you do actually - basic law of physics, time = distance / speed.Posted 2 years ago # -
**** me does it really matter?
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Monkeychild has a point, I'm sure we've all seemed like idiots to other drivers at some time or other. still no need to sit in outside lane if road is clear, however I get pretty pi**ed off when people flash me, particularly if they've only been there a second or two - I have mirrors, I generally know you're there !! In some countries, Germany for example, flashing is the norm and everyone does it and everyone usually moves out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so, it's not "the norm" here though, hence people get annoyed with it.
I too have had several "experiences" (of a driving nature) with BMW drivers, usually way too fast, usually impatient, one was reading work documents whilst driving (for several miles), which was ok 'cos he's really important! Worst one was whilst driving north on A1 I was in outside lane, a reasonable distance behind vehicle in front, doing a steady 75 - (keeping pace with traffic) lots of taffic in both lanes so nowhere to go, and this nob pulls right up my a**e and stays there for several miles, clearly trying to bully me out of the way, he could not go anywhere as both lanes were very busy so whats the point. I just stayed put for ages and eventually slowed down, this just made him undertake (recklessly I might add) and then he pulled in front of me and slammed his anchors on, do these people see themselves or their business meeting as that important?
nothing is worth risking life for...muppets
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It is absolutely true that driving like a cock does not get you there significantly faster. I have had this proven twice on journey of 3+ hours - two cars one going hell for leather one on a relaxed cruise less than 10 mins later in a 3 hr journey.
It is basic physics - the time you spend going faster because you are driving like a cock is so small in relation to the total journey time that it is insignificant
If in an 60 mile journey you spend all of it at 60 mph it takes an hour. spend 20 mins at 70and the rest at 60 and you save 3 mins. to get that 20 mins at 70 you have to drive like a cock.
In the OPs commute I bet the driving like a cock saved him under a minute.
The defence some of you make of the reckless driving and the undertaking is breathtaking, stupid and just wrong. The correct thing for the OP to have done is to have moved into the middle lane and dropped back and relaxed. Mr supercock in the BMW would have got bored and got out of the way then you can continue on your way at a normal speed rather than getting involved in a roadf rage.
Why a cycling forum will defend reckless driving is incomprehensible to me.
I have driven fast and ridden fast motorcycles a lot at speeds that would make you blush. (and put me in jail) I have learnt to avoid getting into situations like the OPs 'cos the few seconds it saves it not worth the stress.
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Every day I do a 50 mile each way commute on the M62/M1. The amount of fookin idiots that drive in the middle or outside lane with nothing in the inside lane is ridiculous and completly cloggs up the motorway.
It is easily possible to stay in the inside lane and pass streams of cars outside you without having to do dangerous manouvers etc. Some times you do get some one who sits in the outside lane at 60 mph and if I am behind them I will flash. If they are that unaware, they shouldnt be on the road!
Undertaking is right, and I appreciate that, but neither is satying in outer lanes and having no comprehension of what is going on around you.
As to the original post fair enough to the undertake, but to get involved up to 100mph is stupid.
How come the French can get motorway driving right, and we fail so badly?
Also I'm all for minimum speeds on the motorway. At rush hour the average speed is 70-90mph in the outside lane. Then some numpty doing 50mph will put infront of some one and nearly cause an accident, or force lorries to over take them. Oh and then thers slip roads. Why the fu@k do people think that you slow down on the motorway, before getting on to the slip road? Its some thing thats got worse over the past few years and is plain dangerous.
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If in an 60 mile journey you spend all of it at 60 mph it takes an hour. spend 20 mins at 70and the rest at 60 and you save 3 mins. to get that 20 mins at 70 you have to drive like a cock.
But, with respect, you're only talking about driving "like a cock" (i.e. swiftly and smoothly, overtaking slower folk who mutter "wont get there any faster") on motorways, where sure enough the time gains are fairly minimal. Take it to dual carriageways and large open A roads and the gains are vast.
Flashing someone to ask them to move over, or continuing on your way with an undertake is not dangerous or aggressive, it's just common sense.
to get that 20 mins at 70 you have to drive like a cock.
No, you just have to have other road users not driving like cocks, it really is that simple.
I rarely exceed 70mph 9there is no point as you don't get anywhere quicker) and I get sick of idiots flashing me or sitting on my bumper, I slow down a bit if they do it. I am sorry but unless you are a police officer you don't tell me what to do ta v much.
They're flashing you, probably, because you're sat in a lane when you could be over one lane. It doesnt matter what speed they're doing, or what speed you're doing, if you're in a lane when you should be in the one to the left, you're in the wrong. The rules of the road say keep left unless overtaking. Admittedly some people do flash when you're passing someone just because they want to go faster, to them it's the proverbial finger.
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It is basic physics - the time you spend going faster because you are driving like a cock is so small in relation to the total journey time that it is insignificant
You're using my words, but not the context I used them in - was replying to the assertion that there's no point going over 70 as you don't get there any quicker (nothing to do with driving style - you can drive like a c*ck at 50mph if you want).FWIW personally in the original situation as described I'd have pulled over into the left lane and accelerated up to the speed I wanted to do, leaving the BMW driver to do whatever speed he wanted to in the right lane. Definitely prefer having a lane gap if going past on the left, and original scenario describes left and middle lane as empty. I don't really care if TJ thinks that would be driving like a c*ck.
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Coffeeking - no they are not vast gains on motorways and dual carriageways. A few minutes in the hour - you don't spend enough time going faster to make a significant difference. Hence my use of 60 and 70 mph in the sums. I have proven this before and there are many examples of it. Because you constantly accelerate and decelerate to and from the higher speeds you spend little time at the higher speeds and as in the sums I did above it makes a very small difference.
Try it on your commute. Same time of day drive like a cock one day and in a smooth cruise the next and compare. It will be less than 5 mins in the hour difference even on a motorway
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How come the French can get motorway driving right,
my experience of driving in France is that a car will approach from the rear and sit on your bumper for 5 miles until a vehicle can be seen approaching from the oppsite direction ----- only then will the overtaking manoeuvre take place
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