I'm 13 stone got up to 15 stone and decided I better do something about it as I was overweight for my height and build, so I ate sensibly and did more exercise, been depressed and ate more because of that, got into debt blah blah, still knew when I was over eating and drinking to much so I changed my lifestyle, its not hard to do you just need to be willing to do it. I would like to understand the thought process that makes people over eat and also do the same to the children. I don't think its bullying or discriminating by saying someone is fat when the clearly are, if you call them a fat Tw*t or other name to upset them then thats not nice, why pretend a fat person is not fat what else are you supposed to do feel sorry for them or ask why they have got so big, some after all say they like being fat and others find it sexually attractive. Having an opinion doesn't mean its bad even if you do say you don't like the look of fat people,, perhaps its self loathing that makes people loose sight of themselves, however being fat does not mean its a permanent way of life or being. The people in the tv programme knew what they were doing to themselves and just enjoyed eating, so no excuse IMO.
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Only thing I don't understand is if I see a woman in a supermarket riding the electric shopping buggy, stuffing the basket with all sorts of multipack crisps and sweets than walks normally after paying. Why is she eating so much rubbish and don't even bother to walk around the store when clearly she can and it wouldn't cause any harm
i think that is what realman was getting at when he says socially acceptable. by providing an alternative means for fat people to get around means they are many times more unlikely to take the initiative themselves.
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matlockmeat:
Mariusz MMA fight Here is a guy who is 5 11" and 22 stone.
Just do a search for Mariusz Pudzianowski on google to see a few images of the guy.I never usually agree with Youtube video comments, but this:
Pudzianowski vs Emelianenko PLEAAASEEE
...needs to happen!
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Pudz would lose against Emelianenko, his fighting skill simply isn't good enough. If he wants to have a chance at MMA he is going to need to lose some weight.
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i dont have much sympathy for very over weight people, I mean very.. unless they have a medical condition.. other than that if it is pure binge eating then they need better will power, only they did it, however being rude, mocking, slagging them off makes you 10 times worse as it will only make things worse for them
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telling obese people that they 'should just eat less' is like telling clinically depressed people that they should 'just be happier' or people with anorexia that they should just 'eat more'.
some stunning ignorance on this thread.
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telling obese people that they 'should just eat less' is like telling clinically depressed people that they should 'just be happier' or people with anorexia that they should just 'eat more'.
Fundamentally, the problem.
It's like all those frikkin cyclists, who all jump red lights and ride on the pavement all the time without ever paying road tax.
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A minor observation. When film-makers want to produce some compelling telly, they can always find a very, very unappealling person to build a freak-show around. A morbidly obese person who is physically pretty repulsive and who stridently blames everyone and everything but their own eating habits is a brilliant example of a freak who will keep people watching the freak-show. They will watch it despite the fact that they aren't really interested and know they aren't watching anything which contributes much to their general knowledge of the world.
I'm quite happy to believe that the people in this programme were pretty ghastly and rather pathetic. But what is true of some freak on the telly is not true of all people remotely like them.
A tv programme in which BigSteve or takisawa2 explained sensibly why they were a bit on the hefty side and talked candidly about how and why that happened, how they felt about it and why it was harder to sort out than one might imagine would actually be interesting, but it would not be a good freak-show and would not get watched.
(And personally, while not being very keen on harassment of large people I think outfits like the International Size Acceptance Association, National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance etc are utterly wrong-headed).
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There's fat, and there is FAT - my guide for the difference is when one of my kids stares...
For me 6'2" and 12 1/2 stone. I feel fat when I hit 13 stone, but at 24 (44 now) only weighed 10 stone. But my riding buddy is a couple of inches shorter and a couple of stone heavier - but certainly not fat, although the chart says otherwise. And since we can get into the same size clothes (well shirt/jacket etc), I'm guessing a proper analysis would suggest I'm too light, as opposed to him too heavy?
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Who put the Tags in?
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Whatever you think about personal responsibility for being over weight yourself you have got to point the finger when it comes to overweight kids. A study showed that the clearest indicator for kids becoming overweight was coming from an overweight family. I don't think genes can take the whole blame. I used to be a teacher once and was appalled at what some kids were given for their packed lunches despite the endless publicity about healthy eating. And it's not just about being poor, synthetic shite is often just as expensive as healthy stuff. Having said that the healthy eating push from govt. is only about saving the NHS money, they don't actually give a toss about anybody out there except bankers.
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Not one person has talked about THIS fat.
It's no point banging on about BMI when you're hugely muscular.
It's a tool that manages to satisfy must people in the community, but not all.
If you're 25-29.9 you're clinically fat
If you're 30+ you're obese.
But so what?It's going to cost our nation an ever increasing NHS bill, puts people in hospitals for a mirriad of health conditions, one of which is type 2 diabetes.
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Something that hasnt been mentioned is food costs, when i try to buy the fresh, healthy option, more fruit, veg, etc it always costs more than if i buy the high fat content, low fibre, high frutose content foods and chocalate is often buy one get one free but never apples or other fruit
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It disgusts me when I see fat parents with fat kids. The fact is VERY few overweight people ever loose the weight and keep it off. Parents who shovel sh*t into their kids are guilty of abuse. "Oh but Johnny only likes pizza he won't eat anything else" We can talk 'till the cows come home about the underlying causes, the food industry, social welfare, poor education etc etc but imo there is simply no excuse for allowing your kids to become so massively overweight, and by all accounts it will only get worse.
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Something that hasnt been mentioned is food costs, when i try to buy the fresh, healthy option, more fruit, veg, etc it always costs more than if i buy the high fat content, low fibre, high frutose content foods and chocalate is often buy one get one free but never apples or other fruit
Most supermarkets have offers on fruit and veg nowadays. Eating healthily is cheaper than eating crap, but even if it wasn't it's surely worth the extra cost.
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To be fair its not all fat peoples fault (fat people, not big people). All the processed food thats available now just fills these folk with more and more crap. Dont get me wrong, i dont hate fat people, but all these tv programs, magazines, etc saying we should treat them like normal people is bs. The more socially acceptable being fat becomes, the more comfortable fat people will become with being fat (or at normal people becoming fatter).
As i said above, alot of the blame has to fall with society and our poor eating habits. How many people actually cook their own food from fresh? And the people that dont eat micro meals and takeaway full of salts, sugars, fats, e numbers, etc we dont need...and the weidest thing about it for me is they are generally more expensive!Posted 2 years ago # -
I don't understand how people get seriously fat. The idea of being fat repulses me- surely you get to a stage where you think "hang on, something's gone wrong here, I'd best do something about it quickly?".
It's a massive scurge on society and all fat people seem to do is blame genetics and say they can't do much about it. There should be something compulsary for folk to do as soon as they hit 20 stone so they get something done about it. I know you can be around 18 stone and be just plain built, but surely over 20 stone something has gone wrong?
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but surely over 20 stone something has gone wrong?
luke, be very very carefull...........
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I am encouraged by the information Mrs North gives me (she works in a research group whose primary focus is obesity epidemiology).
Why?
Apparently tall people are becoming obese at a greater rate than short people. I am 5'7" and she is 4'10".
Bring on the pies!
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superstar_opponents
Surely you get to a stage where you think "hang on, something's gone wrong here, I'd best do something about it quickly?".
I call that day the 31st December.
But seriously, i agree 100% with that point.
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Weight per se is a very poor indicator.
You only need witness that strong man's links.
If you wanted to introduce a system that meant you were referred to a dietitian and a cardiologist and a life-style coach (etc etc add as you feel necessary) you'd be in with more of a chance if it was worked out on % body fat and in particular, visceral fat levels.Look at the previous link. In the survey, 4 out of 5 parents with overweight kids did not know their kids were fat / obese.
Therein lies the crux of the problem, in a nut shell.
Blame? ParentsThere was a R4 interview on / about 30 Dec highlighting just this. I've been searching for the link without success.
There's a long running study being carried out in the S'hampton region, and it's throwing up some fascinating, and as yet, not full understood results, pointing the finger at parents being the single biggest contributor to this problem.
It seem if you were over-fed between 1-5yrs old, that's your likely body shape for good.
Like I say, it's on-going and made fascinating listening.Posted 2 years ago #
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