You really are deluded ifyou think Cameron is doing this for the UKs interests. Its all about appeasing a small group of xenophobics within the tory party and the UK national interst is being harmed by his posturing
Pro-Scottish independence is supporting self-determination. Pro-British independence is xenophobia.
precisely.
Pro-Scottish independence is supporting self-determination. Pro-British independence is xenophobia.
Superb! 
aracer - The issue is because of camerons weaknesshe would have to hold a referendum if the Lisbon treaty was amended to appease the Eurosceptics Thats why he vetoed it. Nothing to do with it being in the UKs interest
26 to one suggests he is wrong - and now we will get a agreement among the 17 not the 27 weakening the UKs position and damaging the UKs national interests
Is it better to be on the outside pissing in or the inside pissing out?
Do you really think that Wallace and Balls-up fancy being in charge at the moment? Leave aside whether they are competent or not!!
this tax would ensure that the Uk would contribute 35-40% of the total tax revenues for the great European black hole
The issue is because of camerons weaknesshe would have to hold a referendum if the Lisbon treaty was amended to appease the Eurosceptics
I suspect you'll find he'd have to hold a referendum to fulfil a manifesto pledge. Though I'm sure you'd not complain at all if he broke promises in his manifesto...
26 to one
Well that shows just how much attention you've actually been paying to what's happening.
Is it better to be on the outside pissing in or the inside pissingouton yourself?
FTFY
I suspect you'll find he'd have to hold a referendum to fulfil a manifesto pledge. Though I'm sure you'd not complain at all if he broke promises in his manifesto...
So he can't sign a new treaty as that would cause our exit from europe.
as far as I can see, the new 'eurozone pact' (for want of a better term) will mean eurozone members (I doubt the other non-Euro EU countries will join) co-ordinate their finances (ie income tax, etc) centrally. Given we have no influence over, say, frances income tax today, I don't see what the big deal is
5th - the way the law is written he easily could avoid the referendum as he is only obliged to if the re is a large transfer of UK soverinitity to teh EU which there would not be.- no obligation to hold one at all. However he would then face a rebellion from the eurosceptics which he would lose his position as PM
teh very fact there is a law is all about him appeasing the eurosceptics anyway
The issue is what else is discussed and implemented, against the wishes of the UK, by the 'fast track' group. This issue was bound to arise at some point, now that it has the people of the UK should be given the opportunity we have so long been denied to have our say as to whether or not we wish to remain in the EU>
TandemJeremy - Member
teamhurtmore - you are the one whos anti eu predjudices colour your views.
I am not anti-europe. I am anti fixed exchange rates - there is a reason why economic history is littered with their failure. I am particularly anti monetary union without fiscal union and generally opposed to centralised fiscal policy so hence do not support the current proposals. Other than that I love Europe!
Here we go. Pro-Scottish independence is supporting self-determination. Pro-British independence is xenophobia.
Except that TJ has always opposed Scottish independence.
Unless of course, he has very recently changed his mind. Has he ?
Agnostic really Ernie. I have tried to explain some of the thinking behind the debate on a number of occasions.
Agnostic ? I never had you down as ever being an agnostic over any political issue.
Perhaps you should make your mind up 
Specially as it's a fairly important subject which you get drawn into discussions over. And you really don't like to be misrepresented :
TandemJeremy - MemberAT NO POINT ON THIS THREAD HAVE I ARGUED FOR SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE OR IN SUPPORT OF THE SNP
In capitals no less - just to emphasis your anger.
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