“scared” 😯

Far too early to tell. My default position is that we will ALL be worse off. That hasn’t changed. So I am not happy about that

Where I differ is (1) I have moved on from pretending it isn’t going to happen and (2) I believe that the risks are manageable given a sensible approach. Both sides have too much too lose. In my specific field, it’s all pretty clear in terms of scenarios and most players have well established contingency plans in place. So from that narrow and admittedly selfish perspective I am simply keen to – what’s the expression – get on with it.

Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse. Others have been silenced. Pretty poor

Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse.

Nah he was just upset that he got called on his BS

Eg initially (pre vote) said that we sent EU 350m a week
Then post vote denied he’d ever said it, obviously simple task to show him his earlier post.
Then recently said we did send the EU 350m after all.

Everyone gets things wrong, no one like to admit mistakes but such barefaced BS is going to attract criticism, in many ways good example of the whole debate.

Edukator (sic) to help you out here’s today’s (real in this case) views from Belgium

” countries are pleading for a soft brexshit to save trade ….45% of exports from Zeebrugge were to U.K.”

So it’s SCARED, ok?

How was Jamba abused?

No, we just need to make it work

There is no way it can be made to work

there is no feasable solution to the NI border, we are losing massive amounts of trade and investment, its a simple clusterfart

As for the idea there are allthese people beavering away to make it work. Every position paper so far has been sheer nonsense. There are simply not the people with the required expertise ( according to the former civil service head and the former EU commisioner)- and there are no politically acceptable solutions.

Of course the tories want you to believe its allgoing swimminly when actually its a humiliation on a huge scale. Remember Davis with his “it will be the biggest row of the year” over him wanting trade talks before anything else – he backed down within hours of attending his first meeting.

This is the problem, Brexiters (&the press) sold Brexit on fantasy, the Tories too scared to disavow it have carried on.

Now they have to sell a compromise, they said they wouldn’t have to make.

There is no way it can be made to work

Sounds like the defeatist rallying call of the passive

we are losing massive amounts of trade and investment,

No we are not. Stop making things up.

This is the problem, Brexiters (&the press) sold Brexit on fantasy, the Tories too scared to disavow it have carried on.

In contrast, we sold fear that was over egged* and didn’t work. We failed to present a clear vision of why the status quo was best

Now they have to sell a compromise, they said they wouldn’t have to make.

Now we have to take responsibility, accept the risks, manage them and …… get on with dealing with it.

* some folk who don’t understand economics even thought brexshit would lead to a recession with GDP falling 4%. It’s far too easy to mislead those poor folk

Pigface – Member
How was Jamba abused?

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He was disagreed with when talking bollocks.

That’s ‘abuse’ in the world of the diehard brexiteer.

It’s also unpatriotic, don’t you know.

Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse.

A bit rich from the most condescending, mickey taking, provocative member in the whole wide STW world.

“SCARED”, maybe a few people in the inport/export business but whole countries, no. Besides you still have to eat.

Odd that that came from a politician then?

Inconvenient truths and all that. Doesn’t sound that they are keen on any boycotting type ideas….but who would be?

In contrast, we sold fear that was over egged

Go back and look at the start of this thread, many of the remain posts were all about the positives of being in the EU, travel, trade, cooperation etc etc

The people over egging the fear were the idiots …Cameron – Osborne etc

Well there are intelligent remainers here kimbers obviously

I thought we were getting cake & unicorns?

you will, if only you would get behind it.

Doesn’t sound that they are keen on any boycotting type ideas

You’fe misunderstood as you always do when you don’t like ideas.

I’mm suggesting British people boycott anything even vaguely connected to Brexit. And more generally draw in spending and save for hard times which asa bonus may result in an economic downturn that will sabotage Brexit.

Your correct I don’t like the idea. It’s counter productive and irrational.

THM – Jamba became a caricature of himself and adopted progressively more extreme positions, I presume to wind folk up. Look at his position a year or so ago and you’ll see how it’s changed. Folk did get wound up and reacted.
Now in Jamba’s position would I have done any different? I don’t know. But it did become fairly predictable.
Calling the Guardian and Independent our as click bait while extolling the virtues of order/order for example was pretty silly.
At the end of the day though, he’s told me why he favours Brexit and I understand it – though I still think it’s a bit of a silly reason – but he’s entitled to be silly if he wants and it’s not racism.
And he seems a decent guy other than his silly views on Brexit – bit of a know it all but I’m in a glasshouse myself there. 😉

I see jamba has de-camped to the latest religion thread. That should fit his faith-based arguments.

teamhurtmore – Member
Your correct I don’t like the idea. It’s counter productive and irrational.

Well Tim Martin is recommending it so I can’t help but agree it’s irrational.

How is his truth quotient?

Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse

Something you keep banging on about, and have failed to produce any evidence of every time you’re asked. Citation required. Get on with it.

Jambafact, Jambafact, ad nauseam, he is hardly alone in posting misguided analysis on here but yet he was constantly harangued – if he became belligerent as result it is hardly a surprise. Anyway, good for him, there is a lot more to life than posting on here.

It’s not “misguided analysis”, it’s “making shit up and repeating it even in the face of being corrected”. Jambafact isn’t abuse, it’s a statement of the obvious, he is a fantasist. I’ve never worked out for sure if he’s deliberately trying to mislead, trolling, or mentally ill- I started assuming it was the former, moved on to the middle when he stopped trying to be convincing, but gradually I suspected it’s the latter and he can’t help himself- so I stopped engaging with him mostly as I don’t think it’s helpful, for him or for anyone else.

But whatever the motivation he is essentially a vandal, like Chewkw.

THM the problem with a lot of the rhetoric as delivered by Tim Wetherspoon and many more stands no scrutiny- his call for WTO and zero import duty is simply down to his desire to lower his happy meal costs. When it was pointed out by Andrew Neil that it would destroy the supply chain he just mumbled something about we can stand 3 to 6 months.

On Jamba – I have said this before. While he posted some real deluded twaddle he is always polite and I think some of the responses he got went too far. Play the ball not the man

he is always polite

I’m not sure that vile falsehoods uttered in measured tones are much of an improvement on other modes of expression.

Well said mefty

NW – “vandal” claims are a far superior form of “making shit up” bravo

Oldman- it’s very true that most of the Brexshit rhetoric does not stand up to scrutiny which makes our failing to counter it all the more galling. But the remoan BS is as bad if not worse – see ^ for loads of example. Extreme exaggeration, false facts and misguided attempts to pin any bad news on the EU brexshit. And that’s before all the “it was only advisory, it’s not fair, we lost” waffle. An we thought you couldn’t getting lower than the trash of the Indy debate for making stuff up…brexshit limbo, the new sport

Still off to Florence – leather pants, jazzy shoes and a heavy necklace?? Then “bespoke, transition, cash…and can we stop farting about and get on with the proper negotiations now.” Keep the news hounds busy at least

Vile? Thats a classic example. Its only words if deluded and blinkered. Nowt vile unlike some other posters on both sides

Still off to Florence – leather pants, jazzy shoes and a heavy necklace?? Then “bespoke, transition, cash…and can we stop farting about and get on with the proper negotiations now.” Keep the news hounds busy at least

While saying absolutly nothing. It’s a skill.

True

Once merkel is back on the hot seat, the proper meetings can begin – the three Ms that actually matter

Merkel – May meeting already agreed

If we think our side has a tough job, imagine being the merkel or macron? Shit, were screwed if the UK walks away and we are screwed if we pander to their wishes. And that’s before we sort out the bloody mess with the €. At least macron has an expanding domestic economy to keep the punters happy

This is the problem, Brexiters (&the press) sold Brexit on fantasy, the Tories too scared to disavow it have carried on

And for the small faction of the Tory who really wanted this extreme situation it is all going perfectly to plan. They convinced just enough people to vote leave. The talks are going terrible, they want us to crash out so that massive amounts of money can be made by a narrow band if we’ll positioned people who can make a lot of money from the chaos. Plus after the chaos they will be able to rebuild the UK as a minimum government state that makes the us look socialist.

If we think our side has a tough job, imagine being the merkel or macron?

I thipught it was just the swivel-eyed brexiteer loons who suffered under the delusion that brexit was a significant issue to anyone much outside the UK

Now after being in Germany for a month I’ve had precisely two people raise the issue in conversation. One of them was wondering how much damage it would do to the UK’s European research collaboration, and one was wondering how on earth we could make it work with all the joint bodies that we are supposedly pulling out of.

I wish I had an optimistic answer to either of them. Neither of them were remotely concerned about how it would affect them, it hadn’t crossed their minds. A mixture of sadness and bemusement would be closer to the mark.

No it’s sensible people too. Actually you don’t even need to be sensible since it’s stating the obvious

Vile?

Vile indeed. I refer you to the many Israel/Palestine threads for a wealth of examples,

Tory leaders and judgement.

Theresa “Maybot” May, last heard protesting in the national press that she wasn’t robotic, has chosen a city for her big speech that in large number of people’s minds is part of a band’s name.

“Florence and the May-chine” as tomorrow’s headline anyone?

The speech won’t be heard for the laughter.

Judgement.

“Florence and the May-chine” as tomorrow’s headline anyone?

I’m going to copy that and pretend I made it up 🙂

Hey I said that a few pages back!

There’s a rich seam to be mined guys. It’s friday so we can always keep it lighthearted.

“UK PM spends time at the OOF-izi”