I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback from the wealth of knowledge that is the singletrack forum!
I’m an industrial design student from UWIC Cardiff and am starting my final year undergraduate project which is aiming to improve energy gel packaging usability and sustainability.
I’d love any feedback and have put together a quick questionnaire that I would be hugely appreciative if everyone could click and answer a quick 10 question survey.
I spoke to Matt Hart of Torq about biodegradable or recyclable packaging, and he said it wasn’t possible to get a tough enough package for the right cost using such materials.
as an inexpensive design adaptation to existing gel packs Id like to see the fused section and rip starter arranged so that you can tear the pack open to get to the gel, but the tear stops before the top is ripped off, so that it remains attached to the pack itself.
It wont stop people dropping the packs, but would stop people littering the tops.
as an inexpensive design adaptation to existing gel packs Id like to see the fused section and rip starter arranged so that you can tear the pack open to get to the gel, but the tear stops before the top is ripped off, so that it remains attached to the pack itself.
It wont stop people dropping the packs, but would stop people littering the tops.
survey completed
Clif have already done it but since they are such a nice bunch of guys they patented the idea. So if you want to go down that route you have to pay them for the privilege of caring about littering. Sits well with their image of being all organic & fluffy doesnt it?
The patent system needs a good looking at, I think. I’m sure it was intended to encourage innovation and investment in research, not to function as an intellectual land grabbing mechanism.
Survey completed. Ideally, somehow, you’d be able to open and consume a gel with one hand (and yes, the top would remain attached to it to reduce littering) I find the SIS style thinner tubes are easier to use.
I’m still amazed that more people don’t simply use a gel flask. Much quicker to use on the bike, no mess, and you can hold about 5 in one flask. Just requires a bit of forward planning before the ride/event to set them up.
It’d be interesting to see the results of the survey, I’d imagine that from reading it it’ll appear that no-one litters as I can’t see many people answering the question to say that they just chuck the gel wrappers on the ground.
I reckon that what you need for gels is some kind of a syringe with the gel in it. You can get it out easily rather than squirting it out of the wrapper ad they’d be reusable as well 🙂
Piece of cake. Available off the shelf. Right now. But no one will pay the upcharge to get it into the market.
That makes sense if you are talking about kids choc bars, but energy products are expensive; an extra £10 per thousand on the packaging would make little difference. But it’s much easier to say “we’ve looked at it, it isn’t feasible”
You don’t eat energy gels, you ‘take’ them. They work for some folk who don’t like drinking energy drink. I’d recommend the Torq ones cos they actually taste quite nice, like liquid sweeties.
I’m still amazed that more people don’t simply use a gel flask
I had [have] one, OK when it’s full but took too much time when it was less than half full to squeeze out a feed
as an inexpensive design adaptation to existing gel packs Id like to see the fused section and rip starter arranged so that you can tear the pack open to get to the gel, but the tear stops before the top is ripped off, so that it remains attached to the pack itself.
I reckon this already happens on 90% of the gels I use
I work in the packaging industry, particularly manufacturing the type of films used for gels, bars etc so fel free to start the flaming.
There is still not a real solution for packaging bars and gels in bio-degradable film as these products usually have a very long shelf life due to the relatively slow sales and usage pattern. Most consumers wouldn’t be happy to see half the box of gels they bought at the start of the season turn into a gooey mess after 6 months. Also the nature of the product requires a good pack integrity hence heat sealing which makes them difficult to get into compared with chocolate or crips which use cold seal technology. Most bars are sold are relatively low in preservatives so again the film in which they are packed needs a good oxygen barrier and is usually a laminate of Polyester and Polyethylene to give the good seal, some have foil layers or metallised film but that is very expensive. Easy open tears and tags to retain the torn off portion is not new technology so I don’t know where the comment regarding Cliff bars comes from, this is usually done by the filling machine and since most of these products are contract packed, it is down to investment by the packer.
I hope this sheds some light on a compplex issue, the only real solution is not to dispose of the wrappers irresponsibly, buying gels or bars in paper bags or corn starch based films is not practical given the other performance requirements of these packs.
Ref the clifbar comments, I’ll bet that it’s a US patent which like the horst link one only applies there. Their patent stuff tends to be silly as you can patent lots of things that just aren’t new.
eh? what d’you mean, are you shoving them up your bum
I think he means that generally you don’t use energy gels as a replacement for a ham sandwich. Personally I only use them in races or in an emergency “I’m about to bonk/die” type scenario. Apart from anything else, they’re too bloody expensive to be knocking them back on regular social & training rides. They are, however, a very efficient way of getting quick calories into your system in a situation like a race.
Ref the clifbar comments, I’ll bet that it’s a US patent which like the horst link one only applies there. Their patent stuff tends to be silly as you can patent lots of things that just aren’t new.
+1000 – the US patent office appears not to bother with prior art searches (or even having a quick think about whether something is likely to be new), relying instead on letting the courts sort it out. Doubtless the Clifbar* patent (if it exists) would fail if tested properly in a court, but it would cost lots of money for anybody to do that.
Pedalhead, you can make gels. Just get some Torq energy powder in a receptacle, add a small amount of water and let it sit overnight – instant gel. That’s all it is.
Re Torq caffeine gel – take one with you on a long ride, and when you get to the end and you’re knackered, take it – boom!
..although I do tend to just buy Torq gels and decant them into flasks, so no money saved for me
Ah – I make mine up from drink powder as with the original Hi5 gel flasks (Torq drink powder nowadays, so unless you’re using the guarana ones, exactly the same as what you have in yours) No need to let sit overnight – just add a bit of water to the powder in the flask, shake, and let sit for 5-10 minutes.