[Closed] Enduro rider caught doping*

Not named? WTF?

6 month ban - September to March

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Far, far too lenient.
We cannot afford to get tarred with same brush as the roadies.
I really hope that when he returns to racing (actually I hope he will do the decent thing and not return but the kind of person who cheats like that is unlikely to the decent thing) that the other riders will get together and refuse to race against him. All on the start line, we won't begin until he is removed. It would put the organisers of his first race in an awkward position but I think peer pressure of that kind will be a bigger disincetive than bans or fines.
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Actually, where do organisers stand? Could they have a rule saying they will refuse entry to anyone who has ever failed a drugs test? I know there were issues with lifetime bans from team GB at the olympics but could race organisers just say we aren't having you, go away?
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I know there are other ways to cheat but drug taking is a deliberate, premeditated action, not a lapse of concentration or spur of the moment error and we cannot afford to give second chances to these people.

odd behaviour from the FFC, giving the rider a ban during the off season.
Surely naming and banning properly seems more in order?

probably a french dude, hence all the secrecy and convenient ban dates.

Wonder if that indicates the rider could be of the French persuasion?

Can anyone find a results list online? Seems to have gone from the Avalanche Cup website.

Conspiracy alert!!!

I assume a French rider as FFC have the jurisdiction over the case?

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Dan Atherton

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Well done on finding the results.

Dunno who this is, but the positive test is for the same diuretic that Kolobnev was done for during the 2011 TdF - he was eventually cleared of intentional doping due to traces of the drug being found in an over-the-counter medecine that he's been recommended by his doctor.

Hopefully the FFC have seen evidence to suggest that the positive test is from this type of contamination and that's why they've handed down a minimum ban.

However, without anything to support this it's just as easy to start getting outraged and fire up the pitchforks.

Regarding race organisers, I think that if races are sanctioned by the national federations then they have to abide by the WADA code, so they can't impose extra punishments on riders who have served their ban (similar to what overturned the team GB/BC ban on former dopers).

It's a different story for non-sanctioned races, they can do what they want. To be honest I thought that the Megavalanches were unsanctioned!

That's 2011. You need this one...

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Ash from TransProvence is all over this and fuming!

EDIT - whoops!

I assume a French rider as FFC have the jurisdiction over the case?

La Reunion island is a French territory.

So J Absalon is in the frame as well as the dedicated enduro riders. Hmmmm.

The doping took place at the Megavalanche event on 26th November 2011 in St Paul (Reunion) and the result established on 20th December 2011. It took until May 2012 for the report to be made and conveniently took until 6th September 2012 for action to be taken. Thus the racer has been allowed to race a full season following the doping coming to light.

Enduro rider caught doping

Jeez, really?? The last thing i'd want to do before doing an enduro is smoke a joint 😯

We cannot afford to get tarred with same brush as the roadies.

I have to laugh at people who seem to think that drugs are only used in road cycling, they are just as rife in every other cycling discipline and any other sport.

Ah, @TransProvence says that anyone on the 2012 results list is NOT the guilty party. So we need to compare the two and see who's missing from the 2012 sheet I posted...here this time to avoid any Lord McAlpine-isms...

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Not sure you can do it like that Rickos - drug testing is done for at least the first 3, and then on randomly selected riders, even if they didn't finish. So you need the full START lists, eliminate all FRA/REU riders who did the 2012 edition, then work out who didn't ride/isn't riding in the ban period.

Or just wait for the riders name to leak.

There's three absent from 2011's top five Rickos.

Amour and two Wildhabers.

The French forums are all over this. It appears there isn't too much [i]love[/i] for the guilty party 😉

Gotcha. 😉

Very clever ocrider.

This may help others that are as thick as me.

http://translate.google.com/#fr/en/amour

The French forums are all over this. It appears there isn't too much love for the guilty party

which ones? I looked on bigbike and 26in and there was nothing.

Well perhaps the fans (us etc) should find out who it is and out them. As too should the sponsors.

It would be a shame if this is kept quiet.

If you cheat at this level you really should be banned for life. If you know you cheated and got caught there is no excuse. The sport should be trying to be a role model FFS !

ocrider - Member

It appears there isn't too much love for the guilty party

Is it Bert Jetaime?

[i]Well perhaps the fans (us etc) should find out who it is and out them[/i]

they're named in this thread.

I'm going to hazard a guess that if it's who I think it is, it's likely to be a mistake. My local chemist warns me every time I get something whether or not it's likely to lead to a failed doping test (maybe Frank Schleck needs to use my chemist too). About 50% of what I get fits into that area and you'd have to be a moron to dope at the Mega for such a low placing.

[i]you'd have to be a moron to dope at the Mega for such a low placing[/i]

most of us would be quite happy with 4th 🙂

Maybe they were just doping generally, not just for that race?

you'd have to be a moron to dope at the Mega for such a low placing.

Ah... my bad, wasn't reading properly.

I even included a link for all the thick people, I was expecting to get told to remove it because it was too obvious!

this rider always seemed as miserable git

when Al Stock joined the kona enduro team there seemed to be a noticeable lack of love from the guy

i wonder what kona thinkabout all this

ill pop over to their fb page and ask......

oh and an off season ban is a ****ing joke

I'm going to hazard a guess that if it's who I think it is, it's likely to be a mistake. My local chemist warns me every time I get something whether or not it's likely to lead to a failed doping test (maybe Frank Schleck needs to use my chemist too). About 50% of what I get fits into that area and you'd have to be a moron to dope at the Mega for such a low placing.

Assuming what you are buying/getting is for medical purposes then so long as you can produce a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) then you able to take that drug. It might not apply to all drugs, but if you need something for medical reasons then you are able to take it.

Most chemists wouldn't have a clue what it on WADA prohibited/banned list. It also isn't for the chemist to tell you if something is banned, that is ultimately down to the athlete to check via WADA.

As for this case in particular, the drug found is a masking agent that can be used to cover up another banned substance. I doubt it would be taken by mistake.

mtbmatt - Well I don't ride in anything sanctioned but the last few times I've been in there they usually ask me if I'm doing sporting events if I'm taking anything involving opening the airways (so a bad chest/cold). I have two lots of stuff at home they were clear contain prohibited stuff. If I was a serious competitor I'd be going to the docs about it but obviously it's not so important.

does this mean that I move up 1 position at the megavalanche last year?

i wonder what kona thinkabout all this

ill pop over to their fb page and ask......

oh and an off season ban is a ****ing joke

That ban and the anonymity are a complete and utter joke.

Having said that, (and I know internet rumours and angry mobs are great fun), before we all march off en-masse to the Kona Facebook page, should we maybe consider the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing?

He must have been proven guilty for him to be banned. But generally yes. However, somewhat tricky if he's been given anonymity.
Am I in danger of creating a Lord McAlpine incedent all of my own?

before we all march off en-masse to the Kona Facebook page, should we maybe consider the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing?

And that his identity is hearsay at the moment of course.

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And that his identity is hearsay at the moment of course.

Yeah, that's what I meant! Clearly whoever it is is guilty!

And that his identity is hearsay at the moment of course.

Yeah, that's what I meant! Clearly whoever it is is guilty!

...the anonymity are a complete and utter joke

The only sure way is to analyse pictures of his face and compare his jaw line. The roadie forum people are experts at this.

which ones? I looked on bigbike and 26in and there was nothing.

OK, only the one, but by far the most active forum (velovert)

Although as people have pointed out, it wouldn't take a genius to hold the results sheets of the 2011 and 2012 Reunion Megavalanche and compare and with a little extra information, can reduce the number of suspects down to one name.

It is imperative that the athlete is properly licensed to the federation at the time of the hearing of them to legally apply any sanction. However, in this case, the athlete concerned has, according to what the federation told me on the phone this morning, not held a FFC licence in 2012. Therefore it was up to the AFLD (Agence Français de Lutte contre le Dopage) to decide upon the penalty.

How long before the top hit on google for Lord McAlpine brings readers here?

Only if we keep mentioning Lord McAlpine

A French Enduro rider done for doping? How come Juan hasn't been on this thread yet?

Lord McAlpine's been done for doping in an enduro race?

Who'd a thunk it.

If the stuff about the FFC licence is correct then can it be the rider who has been mentioned earlier?
Is he not French and has he not been racing some the Super Enduros in 2012 - for which you would need a full licence of some sort?. Maybe the rider in question has dual nationality and has a licence with their second country?

A French Enduro rider done for doping? How come Juan hasn't been on this thread yet?

No one has mentioned Stans rims yet. Now that I have he will be along shortly to bash them no doubt.

Lord McAlpine's been done for doping in an enduro race?

Does he ride an Orange McAlpine?

Does he ride an Orange McAlpine?

More than likely. After all, it is the chosen bike of p[b][NOPE! - MODS][/b]

so far im the only person ranting on fb

So if a Kona team rider received a ban and was stripped of his wins for doping, would kona still have love for the man?
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Chris Kimberley and if say the riders own cycling body had responded with a laughable 6 month off season ban......
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link to velo vert forum :

http://forum.velovert.com/topic/95139-dh-race-world-cup-series/page__st__20160

news announced on page 1345 .

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The Kona Bicycle Co. What's going on? We don't have the Oprah channel here.
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Zangolin - you can get round the licence thing at SuperEnduro by getting an Italian doctors cert that you are fit to race, I.e. physically ok.

Zangolin - you can get round the licence thing at SuperEnduro by getting an Italian doctors cert that you are fit to race, I.e. physically ok.

You can race non-UCI sanctioned races without a licence (for instance 24hr World Champs, organised by WEMBO)
I don't know if the race in question is UCI sanctioned.

4th place

Looked at the wrong results sheet, though Cedric Gracia was in trouble, that would have been an MTB-wide disaster!

One of the 2 top finishers?
The article says stripped of all medals so we should find out soon..

I thought NV competed/finished 2nd in 2011?

The womens winner?...

Looked at the wrong results sheet, though Cedric Gracia was in trouble, that would have been an MTB-wide disaster!

Big relief that it wasn't CG!

hora - did you miss the bit where someone told us who it (allegedly) is?

I would have hoped that if the whole Lance thing taught federations anything, it's the damage to their credibility caused by a token ban.

Amazed the French federation haven't been more open.

If it is the previously mentioned rider then, looking at the link to facebook above, Kona would be taking action.

Surely they would already be aware of this? Regardless of any official channels surely as an industry insider they would have heard rumours?

The Kona Bicycle Co. Hello Chris, we are looking into this currently. Rest assured that if one of our athletes was caught doping, that is certainly a breach of their contract and the would be dropped from the Kona Team.

We cannot afford to get tarred with same brush as the roadies

Why not? It might make people realise that cycling doesn't just happen on the road or track.
And what makes you think off road cyclists don't dope? Because they 'have never tested positive' 🙄

The guy identified above is in his late 30s so near the end of his pro career anyway.

Just looking at an interview with him from last year I found this gem...

[b]Race results don’t come for free. Tell us about training: How, where and how much of it?[/b]
It’s my secret. lol But it’s only when you take a pleasure to ride on a bike , and always push your limits . You need to be a challenger rider.

If it is Karim...then very sad he has trained and ridden with us many times...

What would compel someone to contact a complete strangers employer with information based on nothing more than rumours in an atempt to have them sacked? other than being a complete prick of course.

You are GW and I claim my £5.

As someone said above, accidents happen, but not with masking agents.

It's a diuretic. It's not like you buy them over the counter as masking agents; there are loads of ways to end up taking them without perhaps knowing. I'd be more inclined to see what the real story is before getting all righteous about it. It's entirely possible he was doping but 6-months suggests a technical violation, not that the authority decided he was on a serious dope run.

Even Bassons got a 1-year ban for missing a test from the French authorities (and doping is illegal in France) so I imagine there's more to the six months than just they want to let him off; he's hardly a well known name outside his own particular discipline.

duirdh - Member
What would compel someone to contact a complete strangers employer with information based on nothing more than rumours in an atempt to have them sacked? other than being a complete prick of course.

obviously I am a prick!

but I stand by my actions

its in karim and konas intrests to clear this up as soon as possible

Is duirdh the evil twin of Druidh?

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Mibbe I'm the evil twin!!

Pretty close username tho. I've thought about asking the mods to change mine to avoid confusion

So, what's the latest news from the rummour mill? Is it the bloke hinted at above or are we still uncretain? Anyone here have any inside knowledge they are willing to divulge? (we promise not to tell anyone)

so anyone know anything more about this

cedic gracia and brian lopes were chatting about it on twitter

Ressurection. Frenchies say he will be stripped of all wins and titles in goodtime. That says to me a multiple winner...

Anyone?

Karim Amour of Team Kona was mentioned - but not heard any more about it -so probably not him?.
This quite interesting from back in Jan:
[url= http://www.pinkbike.com/u/mattwragg/blog/Doping-in-Enduro-Crime-and-Punishment.html ]http://www.pinkbike.com/u/mattwragg/blog/Doping-in-Enduro-Crime-and-Punishment.html[/url]

The release said all titles and wins though. So a multiple winner?

Thread resurection: Do we have an answer yet?