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Election Stuff - One for the Scots

58 posts & 28 voices | Started 2 years ago by Coyote | Latest reply from coffeeking

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Coyote - Member

Can one of our friends from the northern territories please explain Alex Salmond's latest stunt, i.e. taking legal action over the SNP's exclusion from the leaders' debate. Surely this is a debate by the leaders of the main UK parties, i.e those in with a fair shout of forming the next UK government. As far as I am aware aren't the SNP limited to Scotland? What relevance would they have at the UK leaders debate? Where do we draw the line on who gets invited to take part? Greens? BNP? Monster Raving Loony?

Or, as I suspect, is Alex Salmond an attention seeking cock.

Posted 2 years ago #
LHS - Member

Or, as I suspect, is Alex Salmond an attention seeking cock.

+1

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Or, as I suspect, is Alex Salmond an attention seeking cock.

No, NO, NO!*

*Yes.

Posted 2 years ago #
hora - Member

Wasnt he raising funds to legal challenge him not being allowed on the 3 leader debate.

If Ryanair ever lose their CEO he could always take over.

Posted 2 years ago #
epicyclo - Member

The Lib Dems are never going to form a government in their own right in this election.

So any party that may take part in a coalition should be represented on that stage. Even ones you don't like

Posted 2 years ago #
cynic-al - Member

MP in "attention seeking cock" shocker - hardly news?

As far as I am aware aren't the SNP limited to Scotland?

Back to school - they can get in to Westminster (IIRC Salmond is an MP)

Posted 2 years ago #
hora - Member

So any party that may take part in a coalition should be represented on that stage

Yes. How many seats does the SNP currently have in Westminster though?

Posted 2 years ago #
trailmonkey - Member

I think it highlights the absurdity of having a Scottish parliament and a UK parliament.

Just dissolve the Union and have done with it.

Posted 2 years ago #
Macavity - Member

The Tories are the forth party in Scotland (with one MP) because there are only four parties in Scotland.

Posted 2 years ago #
waveydavey - Member

Love or hate the SNP, he is standing up for the party and democracy.

I think we can all agree the country is London centric and it could be argued that Scotland has been given an unfair hand.

Posted 2 years ago #
LHS - Member

could be argued that Scotland has been given an unfair hand

cut them loose.

Posted 2 years ago #
hels - Member

I too despise Alex Salmond, although he kind of has a point I would reluctantly concede.

However this is nasty stuff, and thinly disguised anti-England posturing to try and garner the Ignorant Vote.

Posted 2 years ago #
falkirk-mark - Member

[/quote]However this is nasty stuff, and thinly disguised anti-England posturing to try and garner the Ignorant Vote[quote]

Or maybe he thinks Scotland could do better on its own

Posted 2 years ago #
gusamc - Member

yep LHS +1
A - UK - same rules EVERYWHERE - 1 set of tossers, sorry MPs (think of the salary, building, expense, consultancy fees, hanger on posts and final salary pension scheme savings)
B - independence - various sets of tossers (funded SOLELY by OWN country) Suggest doing some history research into the Union - history has a tendency to repeat itself
http://scottishhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/darien_scottish_colonial_disaster_in_1700

Posted 2 years ago #
gonefishin - Member

Or, as I suspect, is Alex Salmond an attention seeking cock.

That's pretty much how I see it.

Back to school - they can get in to Westminster (IIRC Salmond is an MP)

Well yes but he isn't standing for a Westminster seat as he is First Minister so why he thinks he should be allowed to take part in the debate is beyond me.

Yes. How many seats does the SNP currently have in Westminster though?

Smartass answer is none as Parliament has been dissolved, but before that I think it was 7 which is about 12% of the seats in Scotland.

Posted 2 years ago #
Coyote - Member

Or maybe he thinks Scotland could do better on its own

By joining the "Arc of Prosperity" with Iceland and the Scandinavian countries as he suggested just before Iceland disappeared up it's own arse.

Posted 2 years ago #
Gordy - Member

Cameron, Clegg and Brown are all leaders of parties contesting the upcoming election - so is Salmond and a bunch of other folk. Until we've voted they're all equal.

Thes debates have utterly dominated the election press - it's an utter %*@#-up.

Posted 2 years ago #
falkirk-mark - Member

By joining the "Arc of Prosperity" with Iceland and the Scandinavian countries as he suggested just before Iceland disappeared up it's own arse

Or maybe he thinks Scotland could do better ~~on its own~~ without England.
Happy now Coyote

Posted 2 years ago #
hilldodger - Member

Cameron, Clegg and Brown are all leaders of parties contesting the upcoming election - so is Salmond and a bunch of other folk. Until we've voted they're all equal.

C, C & B are all leaders of parties that any voter in the UK may support (or not), S is a leader of a party whose potential support is restricted to about 8% of the UK electorate, so they're not that equal really......

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

Why is it unreasonable that parties standing in the election are given what amounts to a massive amount of free advertisement of their wares. Are you lot really claiming the election broadcasts have not affected the vote for say the Lib Dems or even the election outcome? If we exclude parties from thsi democratic process surely that is inherently unfair whether it is the nationalists or the fringe parties like the [spit]BNP [/spit] or UKIP. As poster above notes they are not equal in terms of support but this exclusion promotes and reinforces the inequality when surely every party should get an even amount of air time /publicity?
He is trying to have it stopped in Scotland no tthe enitr country. This semms reasonable with only one MP the tories have no legitimate right [or point] to broadcast to the Scots.

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hilldodger - Member

As poster above notes they are not equal in terms of support but this exclusion promotes and reinforces the inequality when surely every party should get an even amount of air time /publicity?

I don't think it's a matter of 'how much' support but the fact that 90% of the UK couldn't vote SNP even if they were swayed by Salmond's sparkling wit, engaging personality and cheery demeanour.

It's a debate about national (not nationalist) politics so is shown on national TV, seems logical to me.....

Posted 2 years ago #
Gordy - Member

Only 8%, eh. Hardly worth representing.

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

those in Scotland could vote SNP and he has asked for it to be banned there so in the places he is standing they get free air time and the SNP get none...surely unfair?

Posted 2 years ago #
Gordy - Member

Junkyard - who asked for what to be banned where?

Posted 2 years ago #
hilldodger - Member

Gordy - Member
Only 8%, eh. Hardly worth representing.

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

SNP election broadcast banned- transmission- scotland only.

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hilldodger - Member

Gordy - Member
Junkyard - who asked for what to be banned where?

SNP wanted debates not screened in Scotland but it was pointed out it was not technically possible to put the whole of Scotland under an 'information balckout' and that many Scottish voters may be in other parts of the UK at time of broadcast.....

Posted 2 years ago #
hels - Member

Sheesh - you mess up one attempt at Colonial expansionism and nobody lets you forget it...

We have a building named after Darien at my work, have often wondered if it was tongue in cheek.

Posted 2 years ago #
stevious - Member

Salmond strikes me as a reasonably sensible guy (well, some of the time). I'm pretty sure he realises that he's not relevant to the vast majority of the broadcast's viewers, and to include the SNP (and by extension Plaid Cymru, Greens, UKIP) would be enormously impractical for the TV debates.

Seems likely that he sees this legal challenge as a (clever, cynical?) way to gain some form of exposure from the issue. I doubt that he really thought he'd realistically get a spot on the debates.

Posted 2 years ago #
Gordy - Member

The SNP have said all along that they don't want to stop the broadcast but they want an SNP politician included.

They might be lying, right enough, or they might have changed their tune, but that's what they've been saying.

Posted 2 years ago #
DickBarton - Member

A rather foolish attempt to get some attention - managing to raise £50k to do the legal action when that £50k could be spent on better things...waste of time and a waste of effort that makes him look rather small-minded and childish...

A waste of time and I suspect has lost him a few more votes as it does look like a silly distraction...

Posted 2 years ago #
Coyote - Member

Or maybe he thinks Scotland could do better on its own without England.
Happy now Coyote

No need to get chippy,I am in no way anti scottish and never meant to come across that way. Scotland is a fantastic place.

I was merely asking why the leader of a party that the majority of the population cannot vote for thinks he should share the same platform. Surely attending a debate relevant to the people who can vote for him, i.e. those living in Scotland, would be more appropriate?

Posted 2 years ago #
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

The SNP have said all along that they don't want to stop the broadcast but they want an SNP politician included

really? I thought they were saying they didn't want it broadcast in Scotland without an SNP member. Which is probably fair enouigh seen as they're the biggest party in Scotland.
och, it'll all be easier once we give the English their independance.

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

but without the scots and welsh MP's that makes England Tory forever ...he who laughs last laughs longest

Posted 2 years ago #
Gordy - Member

Surely attending a debate relevant to the people who can vote for him, i.e. those living in Scotland, would be more appropriate?

Back at the start, Plaid Cymru and the SNP suggested an extra debate to cover relevant topics to the devolved nations.

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