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gusamc, I know that in 2005 there were more votes cast for the Conservative government in England that for Labour however the fact still remains that the Labour party won a majority of [i]seats[/i] and if the Westminter parliament were decided solely on the election results in England, the Labour party would still have formed the government. Any argument against this is an argument against our electoral system, but it does not support the notion that without Scottish and Welsh Labour MPs, England would be permanantly Tory.
So it is right and proper that English people decide who rules in Scotland and Wales then....
Insofar as it is right for the majority of the population to decide on the outcome of an election yes that is right and proper.
...as indeed did the people of Scotland and Wales when they had to endure Thatcher and Nu Labour.
Yes we did have to endure a Conservative government that we didn't vote for, but then so did areas like Yorkshire and the North East of England (I think!).
They don’t represent the UK that’s it finish story over!
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[/i]hilldodger - Member
So if Scotland does ever become fully independent does that imply it becomes a discrete country with it's own passport, head of state, currency etc...
and its own navy, army, and airforce to defend its oil and fishing interests 🙂
Wonder what we would do with our share of the nuclear armament? Doubt we would want it - no point nuking England, and they're the only obvious target. Maybe sell them - bound to be a keen market.
None of the nationalist parties have managed an overall majority in Wales Scotland,or correct me if I am wrong, Yorkshire
Ok I correct you Wales in 1999 and 2003. As one uses PR and one uses FPTP you are comparing chalk and cheeese anyway. Given similiar electoral systems I suspect they would have identical results ie balanced if using PR or a winner using FPTP
Yes we did have to endure a Conservative government that we didn't vote for, but then so did areas like Yorkshire and the North East of England (I think!).
True but you cannot deny Scotland has a seperate country where as most people in Yorkshire, begrudgingly, do accpet that they are English just
where as most people in Yorkshire, begrudgingly, do accpet that they are English just
Only in a dual nationality sort of way 🙂
I notice that the English dislike of Ecky Salmond is directly related to how effective you lot think he's being.
I wasn't originally an SNP supporter, more on the old-Labour side, but have been fairly (Trump aside) impressed with their conduct and aims- largely to the left of Labour. I think thats very in tune with the majority of Scots, and I'm confident their share of the vote will go up.
Anyway good luck to them over their challenge.
SNP lost;So PC won a majority in two elections,that suprises me.Fair enough,but what about Scotland and Yorkshire? SNP can't claim a majority and Indy is a very strong point of their manifesto. Talk of Scotland being able to run a navy etc are way wide of the mark.Our Navy at the time of the Union consisted of three unseaworthy Barges.(seriously)
So I see, the joys of being out all day.
trailmonkey - Member
I think it highlights the absurdity of having a Scottish parliament and a UK parliament.Just dissolve the Union and have done with it.
+1.
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[/i]duckman - Member
...Talk of Scotland being able to run a navy etc are way wide of the mark...
We are no longer being ruled by genocidal Stuart kings, so I'm sure we'd manage a navy ok.
Ah, what a fine party - The English Democrats Party.
Loved the all-inclusive nature of their recent political broadcast indeed.
Salmond? Would not vote for his party, being a Scot who thinks we have no need for that farce in Edinburgh, but.....I reckon he could run rings round the other 3 chaps in open discussion.
Perhaps the Beeb fear that he and Gordie will get revenge by turning up in plaid and sending the other 2 home to think again?
Sadly, in terms of hydrocarbon resources and the EU, perhaps the UK should have looked to Norway for some assistance....but only until the hydrocarbons are finally expended of course.
We are no longer being ruled by genocidal Stuart kings, so I'm sure we'd manage a navy ok.
We could be! The line is alive and well and in France.One of them keeps trying to sue the "British" Government to demand his country back.He comes across as nutty as any of his Ancestors!
We are no longer being ruled by genocidal Stuart kings, so I'm sure we'd manage a navy ok.
Not enough of you or enough cash to buy the kit, it'd be a bunch of neds in hijacked ferries 😉
<runs and hides with the mad grin of a maniac>