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So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they made have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the vegan version. A quick question by the chef or a waiter would have resolved the confusion. But no, the chef decided to be a pedantic **** and used normal mozzarella knowing full well that wasn't what was the diner wanted.
I'd totally agree with you if the punter had ordered from the special vegan menu. But.....
She had spent a lot of time designing a special vegan menu for a party, who then decided to choose something from the existing menu – one meal of which was a cheese-based pizza, which isn’t vegan friendly. This is what she meant by the Facebook comment. In no way does this excuse the comment and we totally understand the anger it has subsequently caused.
I'm not a vegan but I am a veggie. If given the option of a bespoke veggie menu or something off the main menu and made the mistaken assumption the chicken in the chicken korma on the main menu was actually Quorn because they'd made a special veggie menu (so they are veggieists) I'd put the blame firmly at my own door. Sure the chef was really stupid to gob off on social media and yes in this moron infested country the waiting staff should have probably checked to save them from themselves but the reaction is still totally OTT. They would have had no idea if the group of vegans might have contained a vegetarian though.
Where did the word spiked come from - she's not seemed to have used it. Feeding someone something exactly as described is hardly spiking.
I think my outrage level mostly depends on the "menu" presented, and I assume we have no idea on that score.
If (as is implied) the chef presented them with a series of vegan options on a specific menu and one of them then said "I want a pizza form the main menu" then **** 'em IMO; they ought to have been intelligent enough to work out that this may not be a vegan option since it wouldn't have been on the vegan menu. In much the same way that a diner asking for a "nut roast" probably isn't worried about allergies, the staff could reasonably have assumed that the vegan group clearly had a non-vegan with them.
Regardless, the real stoopid comes in when we get to the tweets - bit like the daft cow who "totally just hit a cyclist" or whatever it was
I love my meat but the weak & feeble Vegan comments are way off the mark.
so its reasonable for the chef to assume they are vegans and then reasonable for the chef to think when the vegans ask for cheese they dont mean vegan cheese?If the diner agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the cheif will expect them to be vegan. Buffalo mozzarella is not exactly uncommon, Pizza Express and Pizza Hut offer it FFS. So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they may have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the non vegan version.
or by any of the staff who were assuming they were vegansA quick question by the diner or reading the menu would have resolved the confusion.
true- it ony needed a question from either side- but it not really outrage to be annoyed when you dont get what you ask for - remember the meat eaters when they found it it was horse and it was still meat - almost like anyone would be cross to not get what they wanted.All parties could have avoided the situation thus no need vegan outrage
And this is why I only eat in vegan restaurants,which probably make me an extremist in some folks eyes, and why you dont **** with the vegan massive 😉
Well I don't read the telegraph so was only going off the linked article. CBA searching the bloody internet over something like this. Irrespective though, the vegan group had a veggie present which is not exactly uncommon, so why then the outrage from the chef at her wasted effort of designing a vegan menu, and then the idiotic bragging on the internet about spiking 'pious' vegans? I wondered if it had occurred to her to just give the non-vegan a bloody pizza as they'd requested and leave it at that?
If (as is implied) the chef presented them with a series of vegan options on a specific menu and one of them then said "I want a pizza form the main menu" then **** 'em IMO; they ought to have been intelligent enough to work out that this may not be a vegan option
TBH, I'm inclined to agree. At the very least the diners should've asked - I always do. You can't trust restaurants to pay attention to your whims, I've been caught out once too often.
We had a group of vegetarian and vegan customers who booked a table.
Assuming that to be true then that's a big difference from a group of just vegans. Serving cheese pizza to that group would be wholly appropriate (though it'd be sensible for the server to let them know).
In which case, her only crime is getting pissed and then having a laugh about it on Twitter later.
I think perhaps the biggest issue here is that we aren't in full knowledge of what actually happened and are making wild speculations.
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so its reasonable for the chef to assume they are vegans and then reasonable for the chef to think when the vegans ask for cheese they dont mean vegan cheese?
Nope. Well yes if the group were booked in under the name 'Vegan only society' but otherwise it would be reasonable to assume that the group has a high proportion of vegans but not necessarily exclusive.
If they were setup for vegan pizza making would that not have made its way to the bespoke menu?
reasonable for the chef to think when the vegans ask for cheese they dont mean vegan cheese?
Did the chef know the order was for one of the vegans? Wouldn’t she be in the kitchen preparing orders from chits? From the quote it sounds like the first she knew was when one of the waitresses commented on it.
Also the other owner said the group was vegans and vegetarians. Not that unreasonable to assume that a vegetarian order off the standard menu, ignoring the specially prepared vegan menu item, might be for a vegetarian?
Edit: I type too slowly. Points already made.
Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan and then can also assume they just want cheese, not vegan cheese*. It has to be one or the other.
I think its bizarre that neither side checked WTF they were ordering given they both knew vegans were there. However cougar notes we dont know all the facts may have been a veggie with them or the chef did spike it or anything in between.
* i dont put the work vegan in front of milk when I ask for it in general** and i dont think i would if I was ordering what I thought was a vegan a meal. I dont think I would fail to realise it was real cheese either as , it would, after all, have a taste.
** friends and family and work colleagues know I am vegan so they know what i mean anyway and if i did say vegan I would be ramming it down their throats and I dont like to preach
Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan
No I didn’t.
There's a stupid amount of whataboutery here. Until one of the diners comes forward and gives their version of the story it's all a bit pointless. Has that happened? So far we've had the restaurant's side. Not a surprise is it that they would exercise some damage limitation.
The campaign against the restaurant (sans the death threats of course - if they actually happened) is still justified though IMO purely on the basis that the restaurant/chef doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for diners with specific dietary requirements. Far easier to just put a sign up saying 'no vegans' 🙂
**** me didn't realize that you could get that ripped from a bit of yoga or pilates.
Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan
No I didn’t.
If the diner agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the cheif will expect them to be vegan
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/die-carnivore/page/2#post-8942607
Up there you did.
No, I plagiarised another post.
If you want to quote the rest of my post you will see that I said the chef may expect someone ordering from the none vegan menu not to be vegan.
or
Far easier to just put a sign up saying 'no [b]stupid[/b] vegans'
“No vegans who order off the wrong menu”
I only started reading this page after the OP so missed the original.No, I plagiarised another post.
Of all things i can be accused of not quoting enough is not amongst them 😉If you want to quote the rest of my post
What’s clear is that we’re all only guessing what actually happened. It was probably an innocent (enough) mistake. I think these days, most restaurants who go to the effort of labelling their food vegan/veggie/GF etc. are doing so to atttract more customers and as such want to keep those customers happy by supplying what’s promised in the menu labelling. Somebody somewhere, be it the waiter, customer or chef hasn’t been communicating and now everybody is covering his or her arse.
Seems to me that her biggest mistake was being a **** about it and laughing about it on social media. Her chap says she’s mortified? She bloody well should be. Idiot.
I only started reading this page after the OP so missed the original.
Always helpful to read more than one persons reply.
Maybe the request got cheese was just a desperate cry for help?
Why is that photo Drac posted staged with a massive sword, is he off to slay some barbarians with Conan?
If he was a pit girl that’d be sexist like an early 80s hard metal album cover. I’m not entirely sure it’s not some ironic satire.
Why is that photo Drac posted staged with a massive sword, is he off to slay some barbarians with Conan?
“Cougar”
Don’t forget, the only reason why this has blown up is because of what the chef posted on Twitter.. shows a certain lack of respect for their customers whichever way you look at it.
“Cougar”
You mods are all just one amorphous blur to me........
I’d edit my post whilst I still have time, but meh!
Until one of the diners comes forward and gives their version of the story it's all a bit pointless. Has that happened?
Don’t think so, but we did hear from Hope Lyle the “anti-speciesist” founder of the Telford Vegan Group who claims [i]“I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.”[/i] 🙄
I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.
To have consumed enough lactose to put you in hospital without noticing would require consuming it longside enough booze or drugs that I'd be pretty sure what the real cause of the D&V was- and it wouldn't be the dairy products!
Piemonster, Drac means the meathead is off to slay Barbarians with Cougar who also is a meathead - Conan [i][b]is[/b][/i] a Barbarian“Cougar”
(or a vegetarian, or something)
**** me didn't realize that you could get that ripped from a bit of yoga or pilates.
Takes a lot of pilates to get that ripped. And vegan steroids. Possibly.
I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.
when I made a conscious effort to eat more fibre and fruit last year, after years of not eating enough, I too was farting almost continuously and could shit through the eye of a needle (not a good combination)
It soon passed, as my body adapted. I'm not claiming that fruit and vegetables are unhealthy.
“anti-speciesist”
A vegan who is anti-speciesist. Who'd have thought? I mean, considering anti-speciesism is the single founding principle of veganism and the animal rights movement I don't know why you would be surprised.
As for the diarrhoea, it's not unusual for people to be dairy intolerant.
Yeah I believe it's a myth that lactase persistence can be turned off solely by not consuming lactose. Having being vegan my entire adult life, I have accidentally eaten dairy a handful of times and not been affected.
it's not unusual for people to be dairy intolerant.
Actually, most people worldwide are [i]not[/i] lactase persistent. Sweden has the highest percentage and it's thought that humans living in the far north evolved to tolerate lactose in order to obtain vitamin d in the dark winter months.
Who the **** goes out and orders a margherita who isn't seven?
Having being vegan my entire adult life,
not bored of all that yoga and pilates yet ?
Conan is a Barbarian
Mind.....Blown.....
You don't know what really happened on the one hand, yet you think it's ok that innocent people could be put out of work on the other. This type of campaign from a bunch of spiteful vegans, who also don't know what happened, is typical of the type of over reaction we see more and more of that is going to mess up society in the long run.dazh - MemberThere's a stupid amount of whataboutery here. Until one of the diners comes forward and gives their version of the story it's all a bit pointless. Has that happened? So far we've had the restaurant's side. Not a surprise is it that they would exercise some damage limitation.
The campaign against the restaurant (sans the death threats of course - if they actually happened) is still justified though IMO purely on the basis that the restaurant/chef doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for diners with specific dietary requirements. Far easier to just put a sign up saying 'no vegans'
not bored of all that yoga and pilates yet ?
Sorry, thats a bit oblique for me Klunk.
yet you think it's ok that innocent people could be put out of work on the other
If I went on the internet and slagged off one of my employer's clients or bragged about how my employer had treated them badly I think I would expect to be fired. The fact they allowed her to resign is probably quite charitable.
Sorry, thats a bit oblique for me Klunk.
Due to some lazy stereotyping and crass generalizations i was assuming all vegans were yoga/pilates health freaks.
I don't know why you would be surprised.
I was more [s]surprised[/s] [i]bemused[/i] that “anti-speciesist” is a thing that people say with a straight (pious) face 😆
Yeah all species should be treated the same man. My hair lice have as much right to life as those baby seals. 😆
Cougar who also is a meathead
Wait what?!
daz h you would say that you "spiteful vegan "
I definitely think you deserve to die for not fully appreciating Gozgonzola.
You people are little better than animals
But animals that can’t be used to eat or make Gorgonzola
Why?! WHY?!!!
The fact they allowed her to resign is probably quite charitable.
Well, as she was the co-owner and her fiancee was the other, 'fired' or resigned are pretty immaterial.
I do pilates to help stave off piriformis Klunk so your stereotype is sound mate