Quite. An outstanding feat of logical gymnastics even by his standards.

I also think it highly unlikely the Jewish diaspora do not view themself as a racial group

Double negative. What do you think you meant ?

Jews IME do see themselves as both a relogion and a race and a people.

Now also ime Jews love to argue and debate so I am sure there are many points of views

How as far as I understand it ..

The Jewish people / race / relgion dates back 5000 (?) years. Clearly in that time with extensive migration not least being being forced out of Jerusalem / Israel (as we know it now) and a degree of mixed marriage the possibly classic definition of race based in part on physical appearance may be hard for some people to grasp. You have the two major divisions within the Jewish people of Sephardic (Middle East / North African) and Ashkenazi (Eastern Europe). As Judaism is non evanglical (they don’t go out to convert people) the faith / race spreads primarily by marriage and child birth

Quite. An outstanding feat of logical gymnastics

Just trying to communicate my point to you and others.

Immigration and integration and multi-culturalism has not been managed / dealt with at all well over the past 10 years in particular as the pace and scale of it have multiplied not least within the EU. This has created a huge vacuum into which new or non-traditional political parties have stepped. UKiP leading a debate which lead to the Referendum, Front Nationale likely tomeliminate the Socialists from next years Presidental Election, AfD being founded in 2013 and just taking 20% in a German regional election and pushing CDU into 3rd place.

Back to the thread title Diane Abbot still doesn’t get that what she is saying does not resonate with people’s concern’s in 2016

Hmm. It seems that we differ in our expectations of politicians. For me they should lead in some sense, pointing out consequences of various courses of action and arguing for what they think is right. For you apparently they should just pander to whatever ill-informed prejudices will get them votes and hence power.

We’re still in the EU btw

DrJ it’s perfectly possible for politicians to engage with voters and form policies to address their concerns, that is what imo stops views hardening into more extreme positions. AfD exists as no mainstream German party was pushung for a German exit from the euro or at least stepping away from bailouts of other euro members and has grown and morphed into what we see today as no mainstream party was saying Merkel’s migrant policy was wrong.

Labour needs a coherant policy on immigration. Corbyn has openly said he will not engage and does not cae of “such people” go to UKIP, so thise voters will do exactly that, Labour’s support will be eroded and UKIP and other parties will become more mainstream.