Going to start commuting more often now that I have given up on the cost of running the car during the week. Working over the summer, 4km each way nothing massive. But come September and I'll be back to college I have a 20 Km each way ride, I only have the one bike and right now I'm not going to be getting another one just for commuting. So, what tyres do people use/recommend? Water proofs? And backpack? I'm more concerned about the long commute to college over the winter months keeping dry and warm. My bike is a Ragley Mmmbop so I'll be looking for 26" tyres. All advice is greatly welcome.
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Commuting whats best?
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Posted 11 months ago #
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Do you have space for another bike?
I personnally would prefer to use a 700cc wheel for commuting a decent length journey regularly in all weathers.
Doesn't have to be a new swish jobby, just some old racer maybe?
(or 2nd hand flat bar 700cc halford's hybrid - cheap on fleabay)I did read this "I only have the one bike and right now I'm not going to be getting another one just for commuting" but then ignored it BTW, as it's the most sensible option
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As with all these threads you'll get the extremes of opinion and every type of recommendation.
Personally, I'd agree with Zippy and look to get another bike, commuting will comprise most of your riding time, why not have a more appropriate bike.
I rode in today on my carbon road bike with full Dura Ace and Power Tap wheel - why should your most used bike as a dog!? Depends where you leave it though. In winter I do use a Spesh Allez with mudguards and what not, but make no specific consolations to commuting.
Would definitely say that a road bike will be more pleasant, and then you'll be more inclined to get the miles in.
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Commuting year-round on your good bike will ruin your good bike.
Get something dedicated to the job; you'll save money overall.
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I would disagree with both of them. Mountainbikes are more comfortable and not that much slower if you put road tyres on. Disc brakes are such a boon when commuting.
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For 20km i'd go for some fast 1" tyres, such as Conti gatorskin/grand prix 26", or specialized all condition pro. These are around 300 grams and very quick. Problem with is you'll spend the whole time in big ring using bottom couple of gears on the cassette, which will wear out pretty quickly. i did this for a while but eventually put 48t chainset on and road cassette.
The best option is definitely a commuting bike if you have room, even something cheap like a carrera gryphon.
I never used waterproof trousers (too sweaty), just a waterproof top and walking trousers. Full mudguards help a lot in staying dry. Its suprising how little its actually raining when you commute, but the ground is usually wet.
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best way to stay clean and dry is to use proper mudguards... and luggage should go on the bike and not on your back
with the money and hassle of messing with the ragley do what z1ppy says and get a cheap hybrid...
but if you want to just use one bike:
Tyres - Schwalbe marathon in 26x1.5 or 1 3/8 - pretty puncture proof if a little slow but reliable and have reflecting strip..
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s142p1092
The racer version is quicker rolling that comes in 26x1.5
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s142p1628can also get a folding version in the racer which is a bit lighter
also get some clip on mudguards
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disc brakes are rubbish for commuting, pads pick up too much crud from the road and are pricier to replace than on v/calliper brakes.
i use an old kuota carbon something-or-other with a flat bar and it's ace. mudguards a must though, and some comfy puncture resistant tyres
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Deffo mudguards, its amazing how great they are. Overshoes, another great item.
I ride with luggage on my back, but, thats me, I dont like panniers.
What facilities do you have at work? Can you take stuff in and leave it there?
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argyle - Member
disc brakes are rubbish for commuting, pads pick up too much crud from the road and are pricier to replace than on v/calliper brakes.
Oh - something must be wrong with my bike then. Used for road use all year round for a couple of years on the same set of pads. I don't like wearing rims out and I do like reliable powerful brakes.
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Having commuted on MTB and road bike, I know what I am talking about.
I much prefer road bike. Quicker, comfier, more hand positions. Would prefer disk breakes for wet performance, and as you are generally not breaking too hard or often do not wear out quick, and believe me Argyle, you get far more crud through the off road trails.Personally am now on Single Speed and the very low maintenance is a huge advantage.
If doing it on MTB get thin tyres, I used Citijets. Lock out forks and enjoy. Not a great deal slower, but slower it is.
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Im with TJ! I had to commute with a MTB for a couple of months and no problems. HOW do they pick up more crap than a V-Brake?
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I do about 15m each way on a Cove Handjob with a spare set of wheels with 1" slicks on and it works well for me, I rarely commute in winter though. The tyres need to be puncture resistent or you can end up being late for work. There are some cheap brand tyres called Bronx on ebay which are very tough but they weigh a lot, I use conti gatorskins and they are very reliable..
Mudguards are a real bonus. If you don't need to carry much then a 10ltr backpack works well. I leave clothes at work and carry tools & lunch in the backpack. If I need to carry more (laptop, shirt & trousers) then I put a pannier on.
As someone else said a waterproof jacket is good but I use some ronhill pants which keep most of the water off. I changed to yellow jacket after nearly being hit a couple of times.
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I am running a genesis IOID with rigid forks, hope discs, mary bars, mudguards and road biased wide tyres. Rarely more than 7 miles at a time tho. I like the comfort, the sit up and beg riding position, the great brakes and great grip.
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My tip for one bike that needs to do it all.
DMR MOTO 2.25 tyres. very fast tread pattern and when pumped up to the max they have a very large and very round profile so they make your wheel feel bigger and they run on a very thin contact with the ground. I find them faster than normal 1.5” slicks.
Then at the weekend if its dry drop the pressure and they grip a lot more. If its wet then you need to change them but for 90% of my riding (commuting or dry trails) they have been brilliant.
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Kona dew plus here , 700c wheels, cable disc brakes, full mudguards and rack with panniers - sorted. Weighs a ton but I think of it as good training! Bike new was a tad over £300 in a sale.
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Get another bike. You can get some second hand dog for £100-150 that will do the job and you won't worry to much about it getting nicked or riding it through winter.
By the time you have bought new tyres for the mtb you are almost half-way there.
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The best bike for commuting is whatever you enjoy ridind the most.
I too commute on an mmmBop, in (almost) full off-road spec
- 14 mile (~20km) mildly hilly route, takes me ~45 minutes.The only changes I make for commuting are Continental Travel Contact (folding) tyres and a 48T chainring to give me a higher top-end ratio.
Granted, it's not as fast as a road bike would be (having said that, there are guys on road bikes I pass on my commute
).I could probably get to work 3 minutes quicker on a more 'suitable' bike, but I love riding the mmmBop so I don't care.
An added bonus is that I can lock my bike in a very secure & covered private bike park whilst at work, so thievery is not a concern.
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disc brakes are rubbish for commuting, pads pick up too much crud from the road
HOW do they pick up more crap than a V-Brake?
I assumed argyle was referring to the type of crud : i.e. on-road it's more likely full of oils and other contaminants that can diminish the performance of disc brakes.
Never noticed it as a problem myself though.
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I'd prefer flat bars and a more MTB position if it were busy urban streets mind.
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So there we go, the whole spectrum covered in the first 5 posts.
I for one detest riding my MTB on the road. I took a 60 mile route home from work the other day, I'd not do that on my MTB. I guess it depends if it's a means to an end, or if you want to enjoy the riding.
For my money, if you're doing it on the road, a road bike is better. There's nothing really special about commuting, and I'd never otherwise consider a mountain bike a more appropriate tool if riding on the road.
However... as Molgrips said, if it's 100% urban I'd possibly consider something a little more upright, probably not though. Road bike = faster = more fun. And discs are useless on the road IMO, if you're using a slick high pressure tyre the limit of grip is reached rather rapidly, discs just add weight and make pad replacement more costly.
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i was referring to things like oil and crap getting on the pads, making them guff and making for costly replacements. how very dare I suggest something TJ posted was wrong.
each to their own like.
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road bike = faster = more fun
And just for the record, the counter opinion: I disagree
A big part of the reason for my commute is 'fun'
I would have less of this on a road bike than my MTB@molgrips
I'd prefer flat bars and a more MTB position if it were busy urban streets mind.
This is another reason I like commuting on my MTB.
Plus, the state of some of the road surfaces around here... I've ridden sections of trail-centre that are less pot-holed and rutted
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I run an 11/25 cassette and rigid carbon forks on the MTB I use more on the road than for XC. Still perfectly good for XC, rode it round the Rhayader trails last w/end but rigid forks and close ratio gears are better for regular road use. No preference to discs or Vs on the road here both have advantages and disadvantages...
Kev
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argyle - Member
i was referring to things like oil and crap getting on the pads, making them guff and making for costly replacements. how very dare I suggest something TJ posted was wrong.
each to their own like.
Never happened to me - and the pads last ages. still thats only thousands of miles usage over years - how much road riding with a disc braked bike have you done?
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My commuter (crappy phone pic):
Does everything I want it to do, on/off road etc. Disc brakes are great for commuting in Bradford where there would seem to be an above average number of, shall we say, short-sighted drivers
It is I suppose, just a rigid 29er now I've really looked at it!
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I got to agree with getting a cheap road bike. I have a 40mile both way commute and I would hate to do it one a mountain bike. You are much faster on a road bike and it takes less energy. It's maybe not much difference one day to you, but after a few weeks and you will notice this. I have found road tyres on a mountain bike to be slower than cross tyres on a cross bike.
I've also never felt any need for discs and don't really use the brakes that hard on the road, even through the city centre. If you're braking hard you really need to think about the way you are riding. Staying alive must be a priority over getting there quickly.
The other thing is nothing kills equipment like commuting. You also become very dependant on having a working bike. A spare bike becomes a must if you have no backup plan for getting there.
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Ok, I wont tell you how you should do it, but this is my routine for commuting.
I cover a hilly 20 miles per day, 5 days a week, all year round. I now have several routes I can use, all on road, 90% offroad and a couple of different routes that are 50/50. I pick a route depending on how I feel, how late I am, weather conditions etc..
I use a Scott Scale with a crudcatcher rear and bender fender 2.0 on the front, Kenda SB8 at 40 psi all round, fast rolling enough on the road and ok off (I did run my fire XC pros in the deep snow though).
In the summer I only ever wear shorts and a ss cycling top, I tried waterproofs and hated them, instead of being drenched by the rain (quite refreshing and keeps your temperature down) you end up drenched with sweat (this is not refreshing in any way). In the winter I only wear shorts and a ls cycling top, when the temperature gets below 4 °C I'll wear a ss cycling top as well. When the temperature drops below 0 °C I wear my kyle straits(keeps my knees warm), motorcycle winter gloves, a neck/ear warmer and my endura over shoes. For me this works fine down to -15 °C, not once did I get cold through last winter, I do ride flat out, everywhere, all the time though.
I have a shower before I leave in the morning and have a wash when I get to work (no showers sadly), no problems regarding personal hygiene.
As far as wear and tear on the bike goes, as long as you clean the chain regularly and replace it before it begins to eat the cassette and rings, no problems.
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I rode for around a year with discs on a commuter at 150 odd miles a week. Not masses granted but was almost at the point of new pads every month. Not for me, changed to road bike and is much better. As I said though, each to their own!
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woody2000 - what bar ends are they? Sorry for hijacking!
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argyle - 600 miles from a set of pads? Where where you riding? If it's so shitty, then I'd be more worried about the state of my rims than replacing brake pads!
I haven't changed the pads in mine for 2 years, but I don't always commute by bike.
Posted 11 months ago # -
cupra - cane creek ergos. Only bought them yesterday from this thread:
Arrived this morning so I'll be testing them on my way home
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Cheers!
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I use an old Marin mtb but my commute is very short. For 20km, I'd be looking at something like an old touring bike - fit mudguards and a pannier rack and you're good to go. I keep full waterproofs in my pannier - if you get showered and changed at work I guess you could leave out the trousers.
Something like a Roadrat would work well too, plus discs are much better than rim brakes.
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Agree on the pads, I do 100 miles per week minimum. Pads last about a year for fronts and I've not had to replace the rears yet, this also includes various offroad events throughout the year, trips to delamere, various trail centres etc
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