I once worked out that my car costs me about 10p a mile in rubber. So that's £37 for your little soiree just on tyres.
So if you did the typical 12k miles in a year, you'd spend £1200 on tyres !!!!!!!!
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I once worked out that my car costs me about 10p a mile in rubber. So that's £37 for your little soiree just on tyres.
Not to criticise your maths but are you sure it doesn't come to £3.70? Basing it on a set of tyres costing £400 and lasting 40,000 miles I make it £4.66 for this trip.
I've got to wonder why you didn't agree all this before you went, though. Did everyone agree a price? Fair or not, what's agreed is agreed, surely, can't change it afterwards.
I think they're right to ask for wear and tear costs above fuel; however, I think they're bang out of order to wait till after the even before hiking up their costs. I'd pay what was agreed and tell 'em to do one, I reckon.
A previous trip was worked out at 25p per mile. I just assumed that we would use this number again.
Having been stewing about this for a while I think there are 3 things pissing me off:
1. The price is OTT
2. We weren't told about this until afterwards
3. The drivers got together and decided on the price rather than consulting others about what they think. Pretty arrogant IMOSuch is life, lesson learned, etc
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10p per mile in rubber! £100 per tyre, 4 tyres means you change all your tyres every 4000 miles. Thats pretty good going!
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10p per mile in rubber! £100 per tyre, 4 tyres means you change all your tyres every 4000 miles. Thats pretty good going!
He said 10p per mile on RUBBER, not tyres. Perhaps he needs rubber for some dogging activities, maybe wears rubber driving gloves while playing with rubber driving toys.
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Have you discussed with the other non drivers? if they all feel the same and there are more non driveres than drivers, pull what you feel they deserve (not nothing) together and there they go. If theyre not paying for any petrol at all then they've got a reasonable deal anyway.
If I'd been driving i would expect to share the fuel costs. With the only perk that the passengers round up and driver rounds down.Posted 3 months ago # -
He said 10p per mile on RUBBER, not tyres. Perhaps he needs rubber for some dogging activities, maybe wears rubber driving gloves while playing with rubber driving toys.
Have you discussed with the other non drivers?
Yes and people aren't happy with the situation but the Norwegian need to avoid direct confrontation is rearing it's ugly head. Since it's 'only' costing us an extra 400 - 500 NOK each most just want to pay it and sort it out beforehand the next time.
To be fair, the third point I mentioned above maybe isn't arrogance but more of a fear of asking others what they think in case an argument starts. Not really going to work for them in my case since I'm going to tell them each what I think face to face when I see them next.
Sometimes I could do with a couple more Scots in the office.
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I'm (kinda) with the drivers on this one.
TAFKASTR's point might be valid for him, but he does 35,000miles/year which will always make the cost per mile less (lots of motorway driving, longer service intervals etc).
Whilst I don't expect any money off people for driving if I'm driving I'd a)expect them to offer way more than I was expecting, I'd considder someone who counted up the fuel cost and divided by number of passengers rude (unless it's a long journey racking up >£100 fuel and they were doing it anyway, in which case its cheeper for everyone), it's worse than someone who asks for a lift and doesn't offer. b)first round/coffee/cake is on then (unless they offered over the odds and I accepted it).
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If im driving and using my car for something work has paid for then i expect work to pay me the 40p odd a mile where as if its a social thing with people (by the work or friends) then we go by the way of working in the petrol cost plus parking tolls etc and spliting it by the number of persons. Or the other way we have worked this is to take it in turns to be the driver and cover all the costs that time.
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To be fair, the third point I mentioned above maybe isn't arrogance but more of a fear of asking others what they think in case an argument starts.
Going back to the whole point of socialising with people you work with, I'm thinking about what generally constitutes a successfully 'organised' weekend away.....
I don't know about you, but our 'oranisational and planning committee' conversations tend to go like this, after the 5th pint and much rambling in the pub:
"Right! Enough chunering you lot! I'm making an executive decision. We're going to (x) and get there by (y)"
"Well you would say that wouldn't you, cos you're a ****ing nob! We're going to (z) and you're not driving, cos we want to actually ****ing get there!"
"**** you! You dick! We've more chance of actually getting there if I drive! Anyway, I ****ing hate (z). Its shit! We're going to (x). Twenty each for petrol. Sorted?"
"Aye ok then. You're still a ****ing dick though. Get the beers in!"
And so on, and so forth. Always works out in the end though. I wouldn't trust it any other way
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I'm with the OP on this. 20 to 25p per km is perfectly reasonable (if not excessive IMHO). That 40p figure, or whatever figure TJ like to come up with is based on covering the fixed costs of motoring, which tend to be the expensive bits. I don't see why on a social trip you should be expected to help cover somebody's car loan, when that loan costs them the same amount whether the car goes on a trip or sits on their drive. The trip hasn't cost them 40p a km - it's probably not even cost them 20p a km. I see the comments above about tyres and servicing at a shocking cost of £25 for 500 miles and £15 for 500 miles - well that is only 2.5p a mile and 1.5p a mile, and still dwarfed by the cost of fuel.
If we take the OP's calc of £80 for fuel for 750km at face value (doesn't seem at all unreasonable - at 35mpg that's only 60l of fuel, and Norway isn't significantly different in fuel costs to here), then that's 10.7p/km, leaving 9.3p/km for other costs at 20p/km total. 1.6p/km for tyres, 0.9p/km for servicing - what's the other 6.8p/km covering?
If I've understood correctly, the trip organisor did the calc at 20p/km, but the drivers have unilaterally declared they want the rate for using vehicles for work. Well just point out to them that it wasn't a work trip - it was a trip in their own time. If they want the "using a vehicle for work" rate, then they need to apply to the company for the difference between that and what you're paying them. Clearly if it was for work the company will happily pay...
BTW don't you just love living in a country which uses miles and MPG, yet prices fuel in litres
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The guy who was organising the course divided up the transport costs based on a 2kr per km
From what I have read this seems to be the cause of the problem. I've never heard of colleagues reimbursing another colleague on per mile basis. If work weren't paying for the travel costs why did the organiser use this approach? Why not just ask each car to sort it out themselves eg dividing the petrol cost every time they filled up? If the drivers were then not happy to use their own cars they could have requested a few quid for tyre wear or hire cars could have been used.
Lesson learnt to confirm the cost of a trip before you go.
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I've never heard of colleagues reimbursing another colleague on per mile basis.
Well there appears to be no obvious difference between this and a trip with non-work colleagues - back in uni (over 20 years ago) we used to calculate club trip costs on a per mile basis, to allow for a bit more than fuel costs. Is actually simpler and fairer than divvying fuel costs and then trying to work out a nominal sum for tyre wear (that's in a situation where the drivers can only just afford to run a car, so need to have their costs covered properly - nowadays I just do fuel and absorb the other costs for goodwill, as it doesn't make a huge difference).
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