So Campag are finally releasing their electronic groupset - will be interesting to see how it compares in use
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/campagnolo-unveils-eps-electronic-systems
From the sounds of it, it's been in development for a long time. It's certainly been used by the pros for a while.
Is wanting it regardless of whether it works or not a 'bad thing'?
Never understood the stupid placement of the thumb lever on campag levers. designed by double-jointed apes?
They're perfect if you ride on the hoods, less so if you're on the drops - the electronic one above is supposed to improve that.
I'm sure it's great, but that mech above looks like some spare bits from an airfix kit.
Lost interest in Campag when they stopped making things like this -
Sure, it's heavy and doesn't work, but it looks lovely 
I think the rear mech looks pretty good actually though the barrel sticking out is incongruous.
Shimano have made the DI2 one neater
I've got chorus 11 on my road bike. cheeky shifter and mech upgrade on the cards???
Re. the downshift button. its great on the tops and on the hoods, and is fairly easy to do when on the drops too. I prefer it to my shimano shifters
the Campag thumb shifter is so vastly superior to Shimano, paricularly for the upshift when hooning it on the drops that you do wonder how people who moan about it hold their bars?
the Campag thumb shifteris so vastly superior to Shimano, paricularly for the upshift when hooning it on the drops that you do wonder how people who moan about it hold their bars?is there only because it's cheaper to make, which is why Shimano use it on their Sora STIs.
FTFY.
the Campag thumb shifter is there only because it's cheaper to make
Don't think that's quite true, and thought it had more to do with the Big S having their system well patented?
Andy
I disagree, the ergonomics are awful, and the amount of effort it requires is more than Shimano, you're using a far shorter lever for the 'pull' part. They're a bugger in a workstand.
But that's a Shimano/Campag debate, and let's not go there.
You couldn't pay me to ride this though!
there only because it's cheaper to make, which is why Shimano use it on their Sora STIs.
I don't think the sora shifter can change down 3 sprockets with one press. I may be wrong though. and as all campag shifters are carbon, from chorus up I don't think price is an issue is it?
Most of the Campag range can't change up 3 sprockets with one press, either. The reason they can afford to include a carbon lever is because the shifters are cheap to make.
Hmmm Italian mechanical design + electrical engineering. Not exactly a great combination historically.
I don't think the sora shifter can change down 3 sprockets with one press
You can't. 1 at a time please!
want want want want.
I like the idea of the positive shift clicks, for me that's one of the major appeals of campag.
Most of the Campag range can't change up 3 sprockets with one press, either.
The reason they can afford to include a carbon lever is because the shifters are cheap to make.So having a simpler design is a bad thing?
this isn't another boring, been done a thousand times before Campag/Shimano/SRAM thread, thanks... It's about Campag's implentation of electronic shifting.
Yeah, but Campag electronic (even the cheaper version - which by the sounds of things I might be able to afford) will be lighter than Shimano electronic 
I'm feeling kind of glad I held off on upgrading to 11 now the word is that it won't be excessively expensive.
Well that's perfectly relevant to discuss 
Chorus up can, which given we're talking about expensive stuff in this thread is all that matters. Remind me again which Shimano shifters can change up 3 sprockets in one shift?
It's obviously so important, that no professional rider would be able to win using Shimano. Oh...
Anyway, Shimano are once again ahead of Campag, and have already developed an electronic system which renders such arguments as moot.
So having a simpler design is a bad thing?
It is if it's not as good. Which it isn't
This is just silly campag/shimano argument - neither is better, that's why the arguments are pointless. I prefer the lever placement of Campag shifters, other people prefer Shimano. None of us is right or wrong, neither is better than the other just different. You may as well argue which is a better colour.
shut up with your logic Clubber, it's got nothing to do with preference, purple is the better colour!
It's obviously so important, that no professional rider would be able to win using Shimano.
Lance was the first one ever. Berty was on SRAM, and Evans on Campag, so actually only Lance and Sastre have won on Shimano, that's not a great argument.
Agree with you on principal though
This is just silly campag/shimano argument
Of course - you don't think I'm taking this seriously, do you?
i like the fact that if you long press the shifter it keeps moving up or down the block
njee20, another Shimano rider to consider;
"Lance was the first one ever"
I can think of 7 reasons why that fact makes it a great argument. Anyway, there are races other than the TdF.
Of course - you don't think I'm taking this seriously, do you?
Unfortunately there are enough stupid people who do so it's hard to keep track of who is or isn't serious. I like to assume stupidity and then be pleasantly suprised if it's not the case
Actually to get away from the muppet discussion, Cav is a good point of discussion because IIRC he uses the Di2 sprinter shifter...
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/new-dura-ace-di2-satellite-shifter-for-sprinters-28575/
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/pro-bike-mark-cavendishs-htc-specialized-mclaren-venge-30158
The Di2 sprint shifter is in a far, far better position to use for those of us with normal shaped hands than the Campag thumb shifter. On the drops, anyway. On the hoods/bends, the Campag position makes some sense, but overall it's gash.
For some reason I thought 'TdF' got mentioned in the post, was clearly imagining that.
I'm well aware there are other races thanks CF
I just personally found it interesting that no grand tours were won on Shimano (I don't think the Giro or Vuelta were either) until Lance. Irrespective of that I'm a die-hard Shimano fan though!
The campag thumb lever is a little hard to reach on the drops, but most of us ride on the tops most of the time, no?
The other design aspects of Campag far outweigh the thumb thing. Bomfier hoods, multiple shifts with the same throw etc. Plus it all looks a lot nicer.
Wish I could even think about buying the new electronic stuff, but suspect it'll cost more than I spent on the entire bike 
Hmmm I'd be far more annoyed about not being able to reach my shifter from the drops than I would about having to click my shifter twice, rather than push it further!
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