It bears no reason who actually started the wars, butthe new lot have the power but not the will to stop them, theres to much profit to be made for armaments companies and the fuel companies who will have good access to fuel when its all over, and if we win.
or we are not broke.
hairychested - debatable perhaps but I don't think you can call Poland socialist or the USSR communist - both had far too much of a totalitarian streak.
allthepies - Member"Probably the worse PM i can remember in my 40yrs."
Who do you think has been the best PM in that timeframe ?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Going back to 1970ish?
John Smith was the best PM we didn't have.
I think I would go for Harold Wilson. Socially liberal,populist without being slave to popular opinion, kept us out of Vietnam. Badly handicapped by world economic issues and infighting within the Labour Party.
Brown was worse as he didn't have his own ideas.
I never cease to be amazed at your lack of political understanding.
Gordon Brown was the brains behind New Labour and gave its idealogical backbone, that's why he spent a totally unprecedented amount of time in modern politics as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Tony Blair in contrast, was an idealogical airhead who relied totally on Gordon Brown (GB even wrote Tony Blair's most famous quote) Tony Blair was the 'nice presentable young man' which the electorate would love.
backhander - Memberernie, it must have taken years of training for you to become that much of a prick.
ernie_lynch - Member
Quite
This isn't the school playground you know. Witty put-downs are always worth a punt but you need to try to aim higher that the intellectual level of a ten year old.
Back on topic, which you apparently no longer fancy discussing after bringing it up, what was so wrong with project's point ?
Ernie - best PM of the last 40 years?
Callaghan
Only because he's a relative 
Best PM in the last 40 years... when the current PR machine stops spinning Gordon Brown will be considered a contender by all ends of the political spectrum.
Maybe as chancellor Yeti but hew wasn't much cop as PM
Hmmm... in some ways he was a rubbish PM... didn't have the smile or the smarm for it... his Exchequering skillz was what the country needed when he was PM though, surely.
Yes he sold everything and spent everything and more, all in all he was a great success in both of his roles.
Oxboy - I bet you considered buying a powerband.
Wait until Dave can't keep blaming labour... recall when Dave and George themselves said how good Gordo was, time will show just how good he was.
time will show just how good he was.
Yes, thank heavens he famously ended "boom and bust"
Oh.
Yes he sold everything and spent everything and more, all in all he was a great success in both of his roles.
You forgot to mention that he created the global credit crunch/recession too Oxboy.
Any more answers to the question tho? Who was the best PM of the last 40 years?
when you say best do you actually mean least worst ?
oops wrong thread
STOP KILLING FOREIGNERS, CAMEROOOOOON,
What, we're bombing Cameroon? When did this start? What did they do? Well, apart from that ridiculous corner flag dance, but that was only Roger Millar, so don't take it out on the whole nation.
Tj running the country? God help us - we'd all be wearing knitwear whilst the social underclass ran riot.....
TJ, as much as I can judge having spent some 21 years there it wasn't a communist state. Totalitarian? Are we talking about the same place? You sure we are?
A head of the ruling party running the country, formal opposition in existence (as of 1952 IIRC), moral opposition in the form of the catholic Church (given, not as free as elsewhere but nonetheless). Kind of similar to the UK at present, don't you think?
In communist there is NO PRIVATE ownership of goods, NO PRIVATE land, NO PRIVATE business. We did have it, not everywhere and not all the time, but we did. Propaganda clearly did its job.
hairychested - its more about what socialism and communism is. I doubt we disagree on how the country was run.
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