Talent is a myth, bit like Henson really!
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Bye Bye Jonny
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DD why not he had the luxury of playing behind a juggernaut of a pack that for 5 years just rolled over everyone. Would of liked to see him living off scraps and being under pressure the whole time.
Jonny does seem to be a class act a massivley dedicated professional to the point of mental illness and a solid gold roll model to aspiring kids but he had limitations in his game.
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He'll be remembered for one drop kick. The winning drop kick in a world cup is a good thing to be remembered for.
I hope he finds some other way of inspiring people. Luc Alphand went on the win the Dakar, Noah became a pop star, Maradona a TV star... .
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DD why not he had the luxury of playing behind a juggernaut of a pack that for 5 years just rolled over everyone. Would of liked to see him living off scraps and being under pressure the whole time.
Dan Carter living off scraps and under pressure the whole time wouldn't look as great as he is either. I can't think of anyone who would. That's the thing about rugby...and it's why these debates rage on and on - a brilliant player can sometimes be lost in a poor side and never even shine. Or a really talented player in a decent enough side can end up on the scrapheap because he's an immature tosser - like Henson.
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Talent is a myth? You'll have to explain that one to me.
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it is a theory, no such thing as talent as it is learnt, the 10,000 hour rule etc
Loads of good books about it.
henson, good player he maybe, not sure he will ever reach greatness though.
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guys, Wilkinson did work for aaaaages behind a mediocre pack - a big chunk of his career was spent at Newcastle. At that time their pack would have been rolled over by under 11's sides.
He still ran the game, still kicked his goals. But no, he didn't set up loads of awesome tries.
But good god, to compare Wilko with Henson is laughable. We're saying Wilkinson is limited because he is remembered for his kicking and that drop goal? Henson is remembered for 2 tackles (which would now be illegal - Warburton anyone?) and a couple of enormous kicks. Oh, and because he was a nob.
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I still dont understand bear. Never mind.
I knew i shouldnt have mentioned henson, gets the idiotss all excited,oh well thats why i love him so.
Those that cannot see how talented he is are either stupid or know nothing about rugby.
Maybe thats it, talent is a myth, but only in the england midfield.
Oh and neither tackle on tait were illegal, ones on the tight head prop and the tindle alike both of whoms name i forget were illegal though.Posted 5 months ago # -
I would love Henson to have been great, really would. But the fact is, he wasn't. Great talent, could well have turned out to be a great player, but he never delivered on his promise.
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Those that cannot see how talented he is are either stupid or know nothing about rugby.
LOLz.
For most, he'll just be a bit of a sad loser. He'll never go anywhere. Thankfully. Anyone like him deserves bugger all.
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Wasnt that the point of the quote i posted? Henson is clearly a nobber who has wasted his talent but two grand slams and a lions test player aint bad.
Darcy dont agree with this wilkinson love. He was shite for most of the world cup win, and bloody awful in nz as a lion. Steven jones ould run a backline better and is better tactically. Wilko the better goal kicker. Both proved at this world cup they are past it however. Wilko was never the undisputed best ten in the world.Posted 5 months ago # -
JW was a model professional, an exceptional straight up tackler and a very good kicker.
As an attacking threat and backline 'conductor' he was limited at best.
The English media & fans probably over rated him (in general)
As a professional rugby player (who to my mind moved the definition of that up a notch) he will be missed.
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Taz i completely agree.
Darcey more grand slams than BOD!!! LOLPosted 5 months ago # -
Well said Taz
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Yeah, LOL(z).
We both know who'll be remembered as the better player though. Anyway, what is it with the welsh contingent? You're struggling to keep it on topic.
Wilkinson love? Not guilty.
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Jonny was ace player...as other have mentioned very "professional" in a good way too. hated him when he was playing against us..hated Jonno too, but they were both superb players. Mr Wilko been a bit unlucky with injuries and that's taken the gloss of his career last few years which is a shame but I wish him well.
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Wilko was never the undisputed best ten in the world.
Apart from maybe when he was IRB player of the year in 2003? Or maybe in 2001 when he was the only No 10 in the nominations?
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No, Larkham was better then. Shane williams has been player of year and was never best winger in the world.
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Natural talent = genetic disposition. Some people make better use of their genes than others. JW has made good use of his and will hopefully go on doing so.
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What? Pop Larkham played rugby?
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Steven Larkham getting his face trodden on by Ben Who had a massive influence on the result of that World Cup final. He was a very special player indeed.
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TandemJeremy - Member
DD - if you think at any point in his career he was the best at getting the back line moving you are deluded old chap. He never was but he suited the gameplan of the 2003 WC winners. He never had a fantastic running nor passing game - but didn't need to playing in the way that team did.
If you listen to English fans you would think he was the best that ever played. Well he wasn't.
I am not the only one to see this.I agree with this guy. Sadly, JW appeared to lack leadership ability on the field.
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