He is 22, an international athlete which implies a certain amount of life experience. For him to have a couple of incidents of sexual activity with underage girls again suggests that he has made choices regarding the ages of the girls he has sex with. Choices which are against the law.
Again, as above, if these girls are old enough to make sensible choices regarding sexual activity, then they are old enough to wait.
I suspect that the choice was not theirs, but his, and therefore he is at fault.
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"OK techncally he's a paedophile, but surely there's a distinction between sexual activity with kids of say 8 and 15, and perps ought to be treated differently?"
There's no technically about it, as a lawyer you know that perfectly well. Morally, I fail to see the difference - girls at 15 may well be physically developed, but do we therefore assume that they're capable of making adult choices and decisions? Remember, this isnt about two teenage kids sha**ing, the guy is an adult, the girl(s) he had sex with were minors.Posted 2 years ago # -
girls at 15 may well be physically developed, but do we therefore assume that they're capable of making adult choices and decisions?
I dunno tbh, but we do with 16 yr old girls.
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"I dunno tbh, but we do with 16 yr old girls." And that's where it becomes more of a moral issue. Is it still right for say, a 30 year old bloke to have sex with a 16 year old?
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What a bunch of hypocrites -especially Ton!
You wanted to hang paedophiles on another thread.
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We've already established that the age limit is arbitrary, but, like speeding, everyone knows it and ignorance is not an excuse, especially when he's done it before.
It's wrong, morally and legally, and he's been caught.Posted 2 years ago # -
crikey hes 25, not 22 so that makes him at least ten years older than the girls!
this is all getting a bit brass eye for me
people happy to denounce someone and burn him at the stake before seeing evidence and others saying, mleh they probably dress like slappers they deserve it
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OK, compare it with speeding. The radar device has error limits and the law takes those into account so if the radar can't be sure it's 15 or 16 you don't get done. A little bit over the limit and you get a few points and a fine. Lot's over the limit and they confiscate your car and ban you.
I fail to see the difference between 8 and 15. Now even I can be sure an 8 year old is a child and not a young adult.
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No idea about Aus, but in UK legislation there would be a distinction between an 8 yr old and a 15 yr old.
Sex with a child not yet 13 is rape. Regardless of any other circumstance such as consent, how old they look, whatever, it is rape.
Sex with a child of 13 to 15 is not necessarily rape (dependant of course on the individual circumstances), but is still an offence, USI being the most common term for it. There are some defences in law to this second offence, to do with the believed age of the child and the difference in ages.
It's all on the opsi website if you need more.
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When i met my wife she had not long turned 16 i was 21 so was that wrong by STW mob status? BTW we are now 33/27 and have been married for almost 8 years. 15/16/17 year old females are sexual active normall with people around their own age but some times with those older than that. I know people that have been investigated for it but have been let off as they met the person in a night club that had strict over 18 policy. If young people can fool person asking for id then how does an normal person stand a chance. I would comment on the cyclist but don't know enough of the facts.
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my daughter will be 16 in a few weeks. a 21 year old sniffing around her would get a slap. it seems pretty lame to me, like you can't pull anyone your own age so you go for the school kids?
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Without even talking with the young man in question chief? I'd want to know what he was like and he certainly wouldn't get a slap if I felt she'd chosen wisely. Your daughter might just know what's good for her better than you do and giving the guy a slap would do more to convince her she has an unworthy thug of a father than put her off the suitor.
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To even compare paedophillia and speeding in the same thread, regardless of the context, shows just how far we've come on the moral evolutionary ladder. As a teacher I've been privy to the aftermath of teenagers' (of both genders) sexual exploitation by adults. It's very much a humour killer...
I'm with barnsleymitch on this one. The legal age of consent in this country is to protect minors. I don't debate the fact that there are plenty of underage teenagers out there mature enough to engage in sexual relationships; merely that said maturity should be used to respect the legalities of the issue...
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I'm in now way condoning what the guy did - he broke the law and the law is there for a reason, but this is a very grey area. In some western countries this would be legal. In fact, up until 150 years ago (roughly) this would have been legal here too.
And as for the argument about 21 year olds and 16 year olds, a (female) friend of mine met her husband - 12 years her senior - when she was 18. 22 years and 3 kids later, it seems to have worked out OK!
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it was a virtual slap. i stand by what i say tho', it suggests an immature bloke lacking self esteem
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I think there's some great potential for the Friday A&A thread...y'know, it's been dull lately. It could be livened up.
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A 21 year old going for a 16 year old seems a pretty sad sack to me.
Surely there are 21 year old girls around.
shudders....
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Edukator - Member
Fashion parade or youngsters expressing their personalities? It makes life easy for teachers: hoody chav = hoody chav, tart = tart, clean cut youth = clean cut youth, anorak = anorak. No error possible. Leading a group of French school girls through a German shopping mall proved interesting - I saw guys stop walking and follow their arses drop jawed. The hottest was wearing black tights, white mini-shorts and a cling-fit cashmere sweater.Edukator - Member
Happily I don't work for a local education authority, besides, there's nothing to report, leering is legal.Keep digging edukator, I've got a spare shovel for when you wear that one out...
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Now, I'll probably get abuse for saying this, but some girls who are lets say 15, or just turned 16 can look older, say 18/19. And they will often get into lets say a nightclub where they should be 18. In this circumstance how would you know? AS for whether a 25 year old should crack onto a girl who looked 18 is another story
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sod it, I'll be honest, a few years ago when i was ( just) 21, i ended up going on a date with a girl working in my local outdoor shop. I thought she was 18, 19 and she acted like she was. It turned out that she 16, but i didnt know this at first. SHe really did look older. We ended up together for 9 months, and then broke up At first i felt bad cause she was 4.5 years younger. She was definitely mature enough to know what a relationship was about, and i ended up caring for her very much. She ended up hurting me quite alot, but that is another story.
If i'd known how old she was at first, I would not have gone out with her, and I certainly wouldnt go out with an 18 year old now I am 23.
I dont know what my point is but just thought I'd point out that 16 year old girls are'nt all innocent...
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my daughter will be 16 in a few weeks. a 21 year old sniffing around her would get a slap. it seems pretty lame to me, like you can't pull anyone your own age so you go for the school kids?
+1
A 21 year old going for a 16 year old seems a pretty sad sack to me.
Surely there are 21 year old girls around.
shudders....
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This lad is actually 25.
Plus as I said before- a 15yr old **** another 15yr is par the course. At school it happened all the time. Its part of growing up.
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So what do you have issues with in my posts Mitch? And why would they constitute digging? I observe what I see and report it here. I smell lots of hypocrisy on this thread. Red-blooded males trying to pretend they don't find young women beautiful and even (God forbid) attractive.
You need your fingers in lie detectors before typing "shudders" and "WRONG" rather than "wow". A woman doesn't suddenly become beautiful and desirable at a certain age - nature decides that. The law decides at what point we have to look but not touch and up to what age we protect children both from others and themselves. I think 16 is an unrealistic level to enforce frankly but won't be breaking the law.
At 18 nobody questions whether you should find a woman attractive no matter how young she might look or act and you all go wow on the fit and athletic threads. Now if it turned out that the woman was really 14 would she suddenly be unattractive? - No. It's just that you'd have to revise your ambitions or be patient.
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15-year-old girls are not interested in 15-year-old guys. 18 with a car maybe.
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Would it have gone as far as it has if the families of the victims had no chance of financial gain?
Are they gaining financially?He is 22, an international athlete which implies a certain amount of life experience.
Ok, he's 25 but does that really mean he has 'life experience'? It could be that he has lived in a 'training bubble' for years and is relatively immature and inexperienced himself.I certainly wouldn't attempt to defend or condone his actions without all the facts and by the same time token wouldn't like to hang him quite yet.
Just to put this in perspective and show how attitudes vary throughout the world, the following is an extract from Marriage Laws in the USA - and it's not some deep southern state it's............. New York
New York: If you are 16 or 17 years of age, you will need to have a completed parental consent form filled out by both parents. If you are either 14 or 15 years of age, you will need to show the written consent of both parents and a justice of the Supreme Court or a judge of the local Family Court.
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I'm not too sure where to go with your posts Edukator.
I think I'll just bug out and concede that we all have different values and opinions.
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I chatted to a girl in a nightclub, arranged to see her again at her house, with her mum and dad there, and she then told me she was 15. I was 22, so I made my excuses and left.
It's a simple moral choice, and an even simpler legal one.
In this case then yes, it's a simple choice. But what would you have done had she said she was 18?
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If he were 18 and bedded a 15y.o. girl thinking she was 17, it'd be morally different.
If I discovered a 25 year old bloke so much as wanting to touch my daughter when she's 15, he'd learn the pain spd shoes bring when connecting with the balls. No flipping way will I ever accept it. If she was 20, fair play to him but not at such a young age.Posted 2 years ago # -
It wouldn't be illegal if he lived in a civilised country.
Aren't you a teacher?
I've read a few reports of responsible adults justifying their actions when abusing impressionable children. I always find it worrying that these people get into these positions...
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In this case then yes, it's a simple choice. But what would you have done had she said she was 18?
Honestly? I'd have spent more time getting to know her before doing anything. But then I'm old, and from a generation that didn't see sex as something you 'just do'...
As Edukator is (oddly) pointing out, there is a big grey area surrounding sexual activity and age, and there is a considerable amount of hypocrisy when we consider our approaches towards nubile young women.
However, that's what the law is for; it removes any need for debate and simply states that this is wrong.
We all know it, we can all understand why the law says this, and we should all adhere to it.
..and as a Dad, if any 25 year old had messed with my daughter at 15, I'd have pointed out the error of his ways too.
..and I'd rather that she thought she had a father who was there to protect her, than one who stood by and took a limited interest in her future.
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I have been a teacher amongst other things. I've also stated and will repeat that I've never had sex with anyone under the age of 18. These are observations and opinions.
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I have been a teacher amongst other things
As a father and uncle, I find your somewhat "liberal" views a little worrying especially given your enhanced levels of access. I trust you are trolling on this thread?
Given that teaching is a vocational path, is there a specific reason that you are no longer pursuing it?
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Honestly? I'd have spent more time getting to know her before doing anything. But then I'm old, and from a generation that didn't see sex as something you 'just do'....................However, that's what the law is for; it removes any need for debate and simply states that this is wrong.
Crikey......... err Crikey, I don't know how old you are but that was straight from a "Terry and June' script. What about the pre-aids 70/80's, 'free love' in the sixties, the 'roaring twenties' etc. etc. Sex, as something you 'just do'is not exactly a modern innovation.
As for the law removing any need for debate, there are a few lawyers who would dispute that.
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t®ibal©hief - Member
my daughter will be 16 in a few weeks. a 21 year old sniffing around her would get a slap. it seems pretty lame to me, like you can't pull anyone your own age so you go for the school kids?
So the fact that we have now been together for 13 years have 2 kids married etc means tha just because she was 16 years old then she wasn't able to decied that she like some one only 5 years loder than her.There are plenty of people on here that go 'coor look at her i wouldn't mind a bit of that' when the age gap is so much larger.
Glad to see that so many think that they know what is best for there kids with out even consulting them.
And yes i have 2 daughters and when they get old enough to engage in sexual relations ships i would rather that they did it with the person that they wanted to rather than the person i thought good enough.
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As a father and uncle,
Reminds me of the Bill Bailey skit "Speaking as a mother"
Anyway, he says right here:
I think 16 is an unrealistic level to enforce frankly but won't be breaking the law
He wont be breaking the law, and has pointed out that he hasnt fiddled around with anyone under the age of 18. I think he's a peado free zone.
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Dear me, now they've implying I must be a paedophile because I'm questioning whether 16 as a hard and fast age of consent is realistic and dare to say young women can be attractive (on a look don't touch basis). If you are implying that the "specific reason" is any kind of issue relating to my behaviour with students Coyote, you are wrong.
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