The reason "or not?" - because the event happened at school
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Assault on child - Police or not?
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Would need to know more I guess. Everyone gets bullied, it's not the end of the world generally and wouldn't warrant police. Not everyone gets bricked in the face though, so I suspect thatwould warrant the police getting involved.
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Depends how badly you beat them up I guess.. I'd hide behind the sofa and close the curtains just in case.
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Hope you've got the full story - wouldn't be the first time that a parent ended up looking like a d*ck from not having both sides of the event
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Hard to judgewithout more info. Kid on kid? School should deal in the first instance. Unless it's serious or they're not dealing get the cops involve by all means..
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Annoyance mainly focused at school - who left a concussed 11 year old in school all day, not well enough to attend lessons and without consulting parents or mediacal authorities
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School should deal in the first instance
Yes, this seems to be the precedent - but I don't really understand why, apart from keeping it all cosy and below board...
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If it was a fight in the playground, not
If it were an incident of bullying, school if its not the first time
If it was some premeditated, multiple person attack with injuries, yesPosted 3 months ago # -
Yes, this seems to be the precedent - but I don't really understand why, apart from keeping it all cosy and below board...
to get their version of events before deciding if you need to take it further
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School will always try and brush it under the carpet. Getting the plod involved will basically end your childs future at that school. Teachers are nasty and vindictive when you show them to be failing at their duties.
If you are prepared to take your child to another school, by all means. That's if you can get plod involved when their are no reliable witnesses.
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School normally
deal withignore it inside school grounds. In my daughters case police got interested when a teacher was assaulted while protecting her - during the third assault just outside the gates. She lost clumps of hair and scrote was expelled but took a hell of a tenacious approach to get anything done.Posted 3 months ago # -
We called police when my then 13 year old was assaulted. There was video of the incident
Attacker was suspended for 2 weeks and had a police caution
Can't fault the polices response so I'd say call them.
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Right then, <rubs hands>
As a safeguarding designate in the education sector, from what you've said, the school has failed in it's duties to your child purely on the basis of the seemingly inadequate medical response.
Would need to know lots and lots more of the details but from what youve said I would be asking the following questions of the head teacher, no-one else, the head:
1. how did my child sustain a head injury?
2. who treated them and what did they decide the issue was?
3. If concussion was suspected why was the child not either taken to hospital or an ambulance called?
4. Does the school have a current safeguarding policy and a current first aid policy?
5. If yes to 4 then can the school provide evidence that the policies and procedures were followed. Documentary evidence.
6. what process is inplace to address the cause of the head injury and as per 5 what evidence is there that this is being completed?As far as the police are concerned, there is no immunity because it happened at school. If your child had been playing out in the street and told you the sane thing what would you do?
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Good advice from yossarian.
You need to find out what their policy is and if they breached it by failing to obtain medical attention for your child.
Thankfully we have not had to have the police involved with anything at school but have heard that the school my daughter is at like to deal with things internally and were very annoyed with a family that took the threat of serious harm to their daughter up with the police. The police came in and found a knife in a child's bag, but the school still was not happy!
Hope your child feels better soon
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I frequently deal with the aftermath of violent incidents in school. We would always attempt to contact the parents as soon as possible, although many parents make contacting them difficult - not answering phones or not keeping frequently changed mobile numbers up to date.
We would always make sure that parents understand that reporting the incident to the police is an option that is available to them. We would NEVER encourage them NOT to report, but equally never tell them that they must. If it is a very serious incident - drugs/weapons/non-pupil involvement, then we would report it to the police anyway.
There are many reasons why some parents are reluctant to report, and many of these are community based issues. I would echo the advice to ensure you have the whole story before taking action, as I have seen egg on many a face.
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The reason "or not?" - because the event happened at school
Is there a statutory obligation on teachers to report violence against children in E&W?Posted 3 months ago # -
We would always make sure that parents understand that reporting the incident to the police is an option that is available to them.
That's interesting
So the school don't feel obliged to report it to the police?
Is there some sort of severity scale used to help with the decision?I'm not sure what I would do TBH
I went to school in a very deprived inner city area in the 70s and casual, unprovoked violence was an almost hourly occurrence - and that was just the teachers, the kids used to fight and bully too of course but no where near the ferocity of the teachers.Posted 3 months ago # -
That's interesting
So the school don't feel obliged to report it to the police?
Is there some sort of severity scale used to help with the decision?Well since spitting on someone or pouring a cup of water over them are assaults (Scots law anyway) I'm not sure every incident one of those incidents in a school playground will be reported to the police. A stabbing would be obviously. Between the two extremes is the grey area where teachers and parents need to use their judgement.
Bearing in mind that going through the court or Children's Hearing system as a witness can be as traumatic as a minor assault.
It is the parent's choice but I would have been happy for the school to deal with minor bullying of my child without involving the police.
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I was sort of trying to find the line where the school would automatically report these days as in my day it was pretty much never
just wondered - that's allwe had a couple of kids that were set on fire
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Not every dead-arm is of a call to the police, but sometimes it is warranted.
We had a wee girl's hair set on fire as she walked along the corridor. That automatically involved the police due to the extreme nature of the attack.
We always reinforce with pupils and parents that an assault in school is exactly the same as an assault in the street.
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Here, school was a contact sport, you had to really be trying before you'd even get a teacher's attention never mind the police.
But with this much information there's really no way to comment on this one.
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I'd report it and I'm a teacher! We regularly become very frustrated by management sweeping incidents under the rug to avoid earache from the LEA or Ofsted. On the other hand we have an on site pc cos the kids are quite challenging and enjoy physical remonstration in preference to a reasoned conversation.
As an aside, on Wednesday last week a Y11 boy leapt from his seat in the middle of a lesson because his mother had sent him a text requesting his assistance in the fight his father was currently having in the shopping centre opposite our school.
And our first port of call in a disciplinary incident is to phone the parents
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Is there a statutory obligation on teachers to report violence against children in E&W?
Not where I was coming from...
But this is:-We always reinforce with pupils and parents that an assault in school is exactly the same as an assault in the street
There shouldn't be an "exemption" for inappropriate behaviour at school. And yes, when I was at school bullying and fighting was pretty much standard (if not quite acceptable). However, I do believe in progress
Our main problem was not the incident itself (quite minor) but the potential severity of an unattended head injury - nad ht emanow that it (wasn't) dealt with by the school. Police involvement a shot across the bow for the school as well as the child
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so did you call the police?
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if you need a kid assaulted the last person you should call is the police.. (or teachers)
they haven't really gone in for that sort of thing since Thatcher came to power..
try your local church representative..
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great emotionally involving bullying film
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Yes. NHS advised it after trip to A&E.
Police very supportive and took seriously. No-one (including us) advocating prosecution - just a "quick word" type approach.
The other boys parents and school also very supportive, although school have had to be humble due to lack of treatment / parental notification.
TBH, Welsh medium schools (in our area) seem to have an issue with sweeping things under the carpet, and local perception is that they definately do not like the involvement of English speaking authority / uniform (i.e. Police)
ETA -Thanks for the support ^. Didn't need the stuff on safegaurding / H&S / first aid policy etc, as the school were very, very apologetic.
Head of year went very white as I talked through a (no names) client company fatality of last year, which happened as a result of a very inoccuous head impact
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try your local church representative
touche
dont do catholicism
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Glad that other agencies were more supportive than the school.
Welsh schools seem to be getting it wrong on a lot of levels currently, from what I've heard and read.
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ScottChegg - Member
School will always try and brush it under the carpet. Getting the plod involved will basically end your childs future at that school. Teachers are nasty and vindictive when you show them to be failing at their duties.If you are prepared to take your child to another school, by all means. That's if you can get plod involved when their are no reliable witnesses.
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Any change to this rubbish now the post has panned out?
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Getting broody or turning into TJ Markus?
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Rikk - sounds like a good approach and result.
The key thing surely is that the staff will manage any future incidents better
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Oh good here he is. Nothing like the advice of a non parent who's probably not set foot inside a school for 30yrs to help with your kids school issues.
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I prefer loitering outside the gates with a bag of sweets and a puppy
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