anyone own an orange 5 with coil shock and 36's?

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anyone own an orange 5 with coil shock and 36's?

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mtbmarkymark - Member

If you are going to put 160 forks on the front then consider U-turn coil lyrics. I've got these on my Nomad and love their adjustability
For singletrack blasts i tend to wind the front down to about 140mm as it sharpens the handling. Wind them right down for a granny ring climb or out to 160 for those steep rocky downs. This setup is great for non lift assisted days in the Alps or riding up up the back then down Walna Scar.

I've also tried both the standard monarch air shock and the full nine yards DHX RC4 coil on the back. The DHX is definately better on high speed descents but on anything slower their isn't much in it for a rider of my limited ability

Posted 4 months ago #
Rik - Member

The coil shock means i don't need to carry out air sleeve maintenance so temperatures are controlled to avoid cavitation it's worked out far cheaper on servicing costs, and I'm not worried about the added weight, I just ride for fun.

I've never herd so much crap in my life.

Posted 4 months ago #
kevolution - Member

That's probably because you don't know enough about suspension tech to appreciate the difference. I service suspension products for a living.

The air sleeve acts as an insulator keeping the temperatures higher around the shock body that houses the damper. This basically lowers the oil viscosity and it ports faster through the damper assembly promoting cavitation. The more use it gets, the hotter it gets, the more the air sleeve insulates as the friction from the seals generates more heat and it is retained in the air sleeve to further heat the damper oil in the shock body.(regular air sleeve maintenance and lubing of the seals reduces friction and temps)
Coil shocks have far more air flow over the body with no insulating sleeve to compound things.

So they run cooler for longer and don't need air sleeve servicing as they don't have air sleeves.
It ain't rocket surgery.

And CCDB shocks cycle oil into a bath that improves performance even more because the oil can settle and cool before it gets used again.

Posted 4 months ago #
Northwind - Member

"it's worked out far cheaper on servicing costs"

Aircan service costs bugger all, so struggling to see how anything could be "far cheaper" tbh

Posted 4 months ago #
accu - Member

2010 Five with old (2005) manitou swinger 4 ways and ti spring ..very good !!
my favourite set up is with u-turn lyriks, I really like slack head angles..
but pikes are perfect for the woods , if lyriks are swapped to my other bike

Posted 4 months ago #
skywalker - Member

You can do an air can service yourself in about 10 minutes, its hardly rocket science.

Posted 4 months ago #
rotten - Member

Love mine for all types of riding.
36 TALAS
CCDB with ti spring (amazing believe the hype)
Reverb (hate riding without one)
Crossmax SX
Hope M4
XTR
Answer carbon bars
High Roller super tacky (only front tyre for me)Rubber Queen rear
All in weighs under 31 pounds

Posted 4 months ago #
Rik - Member

I know plenty about suspension thanks.

Anybody who uses 'works out cheaper' and CCDB in the sane sentence, and bothered about excessive air sleeve maintenance cleary needs to get a grip. Like I say 'what a load of crap'.

I didn't mention coil shocks don't work better than air, because they cleary do. Thats from someone who has been using a ccdb on an Orange for 12 months before Orange started spec'ing them. But the gap is closing quickly with air shocks like the kashima rp23 which has been shimmed correctly.

Posted 4 months ago #
Rik - Member

Oh and Rotten you need to buy some new scales as I have nearly an identical set up and it weighs 33.5lb

Posted 4 months ago #
Rik - Member

Oh nearly forgot to the guy who started the thread.

Awesome, awesome bike, massively capable, climbs fine, still fun on trail centres but I'd only buy it if you live somewhere rocky like the Peaks, Lakes or Scotland as it does flatten easier trails.

There is a place for a 5AM rather than an Alpine 160. They are very different bikes the alpine is a mini DH bike the AM is a hugely capable trail bike.

Posted 4 months ago #
rotten - Member

Bike was weighed on LBS scales, given a 5pro weighs around 28lb add 1lb each for shock, post and forks I thought 31lb would be about right.Don't care anyway, rides superb. Do it BMC09 you'll love it.

Posted 4 months ago #
soobalias - Member

anything under 35lbs tends to get blown off course on rooty off camber corners in anything past a 10mph breeze.

Posted 4 months ago #
21dwb - Member

I would rather be on an Alpine in all conditions over a five am. For trail riding go with a five with 140 kaskima float up front and ccdb & maxle at rear. The toughest decision is which colour to go for!

Posted 4 months ago #
kevolution - Member

It's worked out far cheaper because I've not needed to get it serviced since it's been on the bike due to the fact it's very basic tech I reckon. I ride everything from trail centres to secret natural black graded trails and some DH tracks, so it gets a fair bit of abuse.

My air shock on my XC local/evening ride bike needed annual servicing at £100 a time over the same period. (swapped that for a HT now)
And both bikes got ridden on 2-3 hr loops every week.
So by comparison it's been far cheaper to keep the coil shock on the 5.

Rik, I didn't use the terms Cheaper and CCDB in the same sentence, or even the same post. However, you did. Not sure what you mean there fella.
My point was the heat management is better with coil shocks which offsets the oil degradation to some degree.
The insulating properties of the air sleeve and added friction from the air seals are the issues I wanted to get across. Coupled with the more compilcated internal porting to accomodate muliple platform settings. This leads to shocks that run hotter and cavitate faster, EVEN IF you carry out regular air sleeve maintenance.
The CCDB reference was due to the fact it allows for all the adjustment and gets even better results with less fade due to the way it ports the oil.
I don't do marketing BS I just cut it down to basics. Some folk don't appreciate that, but I can't do much about it. I just tell it like it is.

Posted 4 months ago #
skywalker - Member

It's worked out far cheaper because I've not needed to get it serviced since it's been on the bike

My air shock on my XC local/evening ride bike needed annual servicing at £100 a time over the same period.

I thought you serviced suspension for a living?

Plus the CCDB service interval is the same as an RP23.

Posted 4 months ago #
kevolution - Member

I do, but I'm mindful that people reading these threads have to pay for servicing.

The RP23 is also a high performance piece of kit. So the service intervals would be the same.(the fact it's fitted to a wide range of bikes as OEM equipment doesn't alter this)

I service my kit when it needs doing, and I service customers' kit when they request it.
I mainly service forks these days, but I trained with Mojo Race technicians a few years back. And I'm also qualfied to service Manitou, Maverick, Marzocchi, Pace, and Rockshox.

But if it ain't broke,I don't fix it. I advise the customer on what they may need, ask them what they want doing, and then deliver it.

Posted 4 months ago #
randomjeremy - Member

I have a 5 with 36s up front and a CCDB out back, it's incredible. So good in fact I ditched my DH bike and my XC bike and just ride this one now. It's great up and down, whether that's in the Alps, uplift days, all day trekking, whatever.

The balance of the bike does change with 36s up front instead of 130/140mm forks but I wouldn't say it was for the worse, it's much more stable on rocky downhills, which is why you buy a 5 and stick a CCDB and 36s on it, right?

Posted 4 months ago #
flange - Member

Coil U-turn lyriks and CCDB with Ti here. I wanted something I could ride at Cannock/Wales and at the same time do the Mega on. Alpine160 seemed overkill for what I needed and the Five does everything I want. Run the forks at 140mm for UK riding, bump up to 160mm for severe stuff. As for the RP23 to CCDB swap, I could never get the RP set up how I wanted it. The CCDB is an awesome bit of kit and feels much better suited to the frame.

Different strokes for different folks though. I use mine for a lot of DH based jumpy stuff and I'm quite a big chap so the original forks and shock bottom'd out a lot. Doing this all day...

...ended up buggering the rear shock which then had to be replaced. I don't really do all day riding in the hills sort of stuff so weight isn't really an issue to me. I can see how it would be to some though, but the adaptability of the frame lets you run it either way. Thats why Fives are great!

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