+1 Hora and MSP.
The media coverage of 9/11 (or 11/9 in English!) seems way over the top. Yes it was awful but I think the amount of video footage of the actual attack gave the media enough fodder to keep going over it for a long time, there seems far less coverage of flight 93 and the Pentagon attack of which there was less footage.
LHS LOL. Its not really about right and wrong but protecting our business interests.With us it was trade routes, then cotton, Opium/tea etc etc.
Only back in the Crusades was it really about religion not the pretence of 'right and wrong'.
It's never been about religion for the US- care to cite any examples. Same as this country, it's been about paranoia and trade.
S'obvious innit? A high proportion of the original settlers were religious fanatics escaping persecution back in Europe. They've managed to grow and prosper in the relatively tolerant climate of the US, and pass their beliefs onto future generations. They've also learnt the lessons of their less fortunate compatriots back home well, and have made sure they keep close to the seat of power so they won't get marginalised again.
That was pretty normal practise round there. Everyone was expected to attend.
I don't think there's many workplaces in the UK where that happens.
Never worked with muslims then?
Thinking about that church going statistic, 27% UK, 44% USA. I bet the 17% could be mostly made from the other religions in the UK? Compared to christianity which with the exception of the more enthusiastic denominations has abandoned the go to church or go to hell mantra most other religions still involve actualy going somewhere to worship.
The media coverage of 9/11 (or 11/9 in English!) seems way over the top.
I've been avoiding it so I genuinely don't know, but has there been any mention in the 9/11 remembrance events of all the other victims of 9/11 - ie all the (much larger numbers of) innocent civilians killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as a result? I somehow doubt it but I'll be pleasantly surprised if there has.
Thinking about that church going statistic, 27% UK, 44% USA.
I thought the US was much higher - has it declined massively in recent years?
Maybe the question should actually be: why are people in the UK (and the STW forum in particular) so atheist?
With us it was trade routes, then cotton, Opium/tea etc etc.Only back in the Crusades was it really about religion not the pretence of 'right and wrong'.
Really?
"If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well."
[Tony Blair]
> I don't think there's many workplaces in the UK where that happens.Never worked with muslims then?
Yes, but they went off and prayed quietly on their own. They didn't expect the entire company to get together for a morning prayer before work. 
Or for members of staff to take turns in leading the prayers.
The only time I've seen anything like that in the UK was "Morning Assembly" æons ago when I was at primary school, and I think even that is multi-faith/secular these days.
There you go Elfin, FTFY
No you jolly well have not, you've broken it.
Religion is far more culturally significant than Dawkins or N-Dubz.
Dawkins is the Tracey Emin of the scientific community.
Dawkins is the Tracey Emin of the scientific community.
How so Elf?
Dawkins made gene-based evolution understandable and accessible to the masses.
Emin made art less understandable and less accessible.
Only back in the Crusades was it really about religion not the pretence of 'right and wrong'.
It was actually a clever ploy of the Pope Urban to keep violent Noblemen on-side and to stop them killing each other.Go and kill the Muslims, plunder..Err...I mean free... the "Holy Land" not your neighbour.But it had as much justification as any "Holy War" has ever.
Religion is far more culturally significant than Dawkins or N-Dubz.
Maybe in your culture, certainly not in mine. In my culture we value education, knowledge, reasoning, respect, understanding and empathy. Whilst I accept your assertion that Dawkins is a 'pop' scientist, more your Gary Barlow of science than your Mozart maybe, he still asserts his argument based on logic and fact, as opposed to the feelings and beliefs of religious argument.
So for me and my culture Dawkins (and n dubs; loads of people love x factor) is FAR more relevant than religion.
Maybe in your culture, certainly not in mine. In my culture we value education, knowledge, reasoning, respect, understanding and empathy
Do you know from where those values of education, knowledge, reasoning, respect, understanding and empathy derived?
Do you know the history behind the foundation of the World's first Universities? Hospitals? Charities?
What is your culture? Where do you live? What laws do you abide by? How were those laws formed? What was the ideology behind the formation of those laws?
Do you know from where those values of education, knowledge, reasoning, respect, understanding and empathy derived?
They evolved as survival mechanisms for a social species and were then co-opted into religious belief?
Or maybe it was religion that helped organise and homologate such survival mechanisms?
Or maybe it was religion that helped organise and homologate such survival mechanisms?
Religion (rather than god) is a man made construct so I seriously doubt that it had any hand the evolution of man.
Religion has been a useful tool to impose morals and good conscience on the uneducated masses, in the past, and to provide convenient justification for some extremely morally dubious acts by the ruling classes since time immemorial. It has seriously outlived it's usefulness; we have mass media to do that now.
Republicans seem to be particularly god fearing, yet very quick to support military action. Revenge seemed to be high on the agenda after 9/11 and I'm not quite sure how that sits with being religious.
Religion has been a useful tool to impose morals and good conscience on the uneducated masses, in the past, and to provide convenient justification for some extremely morally dubious acts by the ruling classes since time immemorial. It has seriously outlived it's usefulness; we have mass media to do that now.
Do we not call it capitalism now?
Do we not call it capitalism now?
True that.
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