ton - easily said - your own son?
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I have a daughter.
I don't believe in killing.
She knows this.I don't see how killing someone for harming/killing her would in any way be respecting our relationship and the values I've tried to teach her.
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your entire jobs as a parent is to protect your child , nurture it watch it row
So you're responsible for our successful rowing teams!no you misunderstood me, they are training to be big hitters on here there is nothing they cannot have a row about it, nothing.
Junky part of my point is that sentencing should an rational consistent...and not down surely to the victim...or those that love to get indignant in sympathising with her.
you are right but I just do not see 6 years as any where near acceptable for this type of crimePosted 4 months ago # -
But druidh...you can't really lover her then?
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But druidh...you can't really lover her then?
How do you mean "lover" as a verb here al?
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Collect up all the chav dogs discussed elswhere and feed these kiddy fiddlers to them. Probably televise it on a Saturday evening, better than x factor.
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Cripes...add in RLJs and it's a winner!
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I'm wondering if the admission of guilt was part of the reason the sentence was so low?
It said as much in the BBC article IIRC; reduced from 8 years to 6 years.
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Anyone seen Brass Eye's "Paedogeddon" episode?
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I can understand people talking about stringing him up, etc. - it is, undoubtedly, a horrific crime that creates, understandably, emotive responses from people. However, it's all pointless, as we dont have the death penalty in this country. There really is no point just keeping saying it, it's never going to happen. Hora - your comment about 'he must have learning difficulties to do that' is both misguided and insulting to anyone with or involved with people who have learning difficulties - my little lad has a learning disability, does that mean he'll become a paedophile? Stop talking bollocks, please. And just to dissapoint folk even further, he wont be 'welcomed to prison', he'll be segregated for his own protection. Yes, somebody will probably get to him at some stage, but I very much doubt that there'll be a welcoming comittee. What's the answer then? There really isnt one - we could certainly start by increasing funding for long stay specialised units, but I cant see that happening any time soon. Shit isnt it?
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'he must have learning difficulties to do that' is both misguided and insulting to anyone with or involved with people who have learning difficulties - my little lad has a learning disability, does that mean he'll become a paedophile?
Surgeons must be very clever. Therefore, all clever people are surgeons?
I agree with the rest of your post, but you're twisting his words there, which is unfair.
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I've got a young daughter and no inclination whatsoever to follow that link. If reading something like that makes you imagine similar things happening to your own family I can believe that you might become furiously angry. Surely it would be better to avoid similar stories in future?
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I agree with the rest of your post, but you're twisting his words there, which is unfair.
Well, seeing as that's what he wrote, I'm not really am I? (edit) I realise that I'm probably being a little sensitive here, but it can be a hard enough life for people with learning disabilities without misguided comments like that.Posted 4 months ago # -
Stop talking bollocks, please.
I don't even have to read hora's post (and I haven't) to know that this is more than likely the right thing to say.
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re-name these articles of clothing as 'Paedo-bags' and force all convicted child abusers to wear them at all times.. maybe physically grafting them onto the nonces skin..
children could be taught from a young age to avoid them.. and later in life to assault them..
easy peasy
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Well, seeing as that's what he wrote, I'm not really am I?
Well, ok, you're not twisting his words, you're applying faulty logic in order to take offence at an implied viewpoint which wasn't actually implied.
I realise that I'm probably being a little sensitive here
Perhaps. But in your shoes I'd probably be a little sensitive too.
All I was meaning was, there are probably any number of reasons to pick on Hora, but I'm not sure that this is one of them.
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barnsleymitch - Member
... However, it's all pointless, as we dont have the death penalty in this country. There really is no point just keeping saying it, it's never going to happen.
That I have to disagree as rules are created by human so it will be up to us to change it again. Politicians as they are will need to win votes and guess what ... I will vote for the ones that have the guts to bring it back. As for EU ... nahhh ... embargo? Send troops to invade UK? They should just mind their own business.
... And just to dissapoint folk even further, he wont be 'welcomed to prison', he'll be segregated for his own protection. Yes, somebody will probably get to him at some stage, but I very much doubt that there'll be a welcoming comittee. What's the answer then?
The answer is in us. We let it happens we need to sort it out again. We can let it be and wish that it does not happen to us or we can drum up some courage by saying ... sort that I am going to say hang the scumbags for his/her heinous crimes and waterboard them for pleasure while at it. Tell the politicians to bring back death penalty for heinous crimes.
There really isnt one - we could certainly start by increasing funding for long stay specialised units, but I cant see that happening any time soon. Shit isnt it?
Yes, there is but just that we prefer to hide behind our whiter than white image and by being on high horse. Oh look we are civilised. Oh look we respect human rights etc. Put it this way there is no loss in having fewer scumbags like them.
Speak to your MP ... just voice your opinion ... no need to be pushy ... let the momentum grow ...
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Lord Woolman said it was impossible to say whether the crime would have a long term psychological impact on the victim.
My guess is it might but im no expert
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cougar your wrong
hora - it's possible he doesn't know he's doing wrong. He might get a clue though on day one of prison.
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hora - Member
He'd have to have learning difficulties for that way of thinking.I ignored it because it was Hora and low trolling even for him
somemost times he should just STFU
I am unclear as to whether he mean people with a LD cant tell right form wrong or he means you would have to have LD's to not realise this was wrong...its possible he is saying you maus have LD to do this but even hora stream of unthinking conscious is not usual that dull witted but he may have meant that
Whichever way you take it he is talking bolloxhad it been anyone other than hora I would have replied but he is not worth the effort tbh, excpe t for this aside
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Cougar - Why would he have to have 'a learning difficulty' to commit an act like that? I have worked with paedophiles for years, in a variety of secure settings, and here's the thing, they come from all walks of life, some of them have been intelligent, some havent, some of them have been inadequate, some have been raving psychopaths. It's an ignorant misconception to label them as having 'learning difficulties'. I have admitted to being sensitive, but I certainly dont go around looking to take offence at an implied viewpoint. My sons life (and therefore mine) is already difficult enough at times, thank you.
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Lord Woolman said it was impossible to say whether the crime would have a long term psychological impact on the victim.
I suspect he will have complete memory loss when he retired ...
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Why would he have to have 'a learning difficulty' to commit an act like that?
He's had difficulty in learning that it's wrong to abuse children?
Ach, I don't know. I see where you're coming from, in that "LD" has a pretty specific meaning. I was interpreting it as a PC catch-all term for any sort of mental dysfunction. Which, of course, it isn't.
I think I need more coffee. Ignore me.
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barnsleymitch "... It's an ignorant misconception to label them as having 'learning difficulties'".
Regardless, if they cross the boundary then its good enough to put them out of their existence,.
Rehabilitating those who commit heinous crimes? Why? I have no interest in their future whatsoever nor am I interested in their human rights or to read about them again.
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He's had difficulty in learning that it's wrong to abuse children?
shut the **** up
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The difficulty is, that in most cases, paedophiles arent able to see that what they do is wrong. In my experience, I've known some paedophiles that were able to see that society viewed their acts as 'wrong', but were unable to internalise that, and sadly, that's as far as I've ever seen things change. What some of the posters on this thread would like to see happen and what does happen are two entirely different things. The best that we can manage at present is to place these people in secure settings and ensure our risk assessments are thorough and robust enough to keep them there. You can talk all you like about the death penalty, but at present, that's all you can do - talk about it.
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barnsleymitch - Member
... You can talk all you like about the death penalty, but at present, that's all you can do - talk about it.
Yes, unfortunately that's the case for us keyboard warriors at the moment, let's hope the ball starts rolling.
I wish to see the bringing back of death penalty during my lifetime so let's see. All you got to do is for one nation to suddenly say enough is enough to change the herd mentality.
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What type of mother leaves her child alone with a man that might do those things to a child.
I dont let my children out of my sight if i get a bad feeling about something,
so to go to work,and leave your child with this monster, then let relatives pick the child up and take her to nursery, suggest their may be more to it.
i imagine 6 years in jail is a long time, but once a pedophile always a pedophile.
His sexual desires to him, are no different to you or i fancying a tall blonde/brunette, he sees no wrong in what he,s done or he wouldn't have done it.
society thought sees thing in the cold light of day and for this crime their should be no forgiveness,
he should receive all the help he needs to combat his desires, but not the freedom that gives him the wright to act on them.
so In my eyes 6 years is a joke but six years it is.
imo the mums to blame no one else, if you don't no your partner well enough to trust them, would you really leave your flesh and blood in their care?
She wants a good hiding and a serious lesson in how to protect her children the stupid woman.
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chewkw - Member
The death penalty has never gone away. The majority of the worlds population live in countries where capital punishment still takes place. The good news for you is that you therefore have lots of choice about where you'd rather live.
I wish to see the bringing back of death penalty during my lifetime so let's see. All you got to do is for one nation to suddenly say enough is enough to change the herd mentality.Posted 4 months ago # -
Merchant-Banker
imo the mums to blame no one else, if you don't no your partner well enough to trust them, would you really leave your flesh and blood in their care?
She wants a good hiding and a serious lesson in how to protect her children the stupid woman.
Are you for real?
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cynic-al - Member
ton - easily said - your own son?
Al, moreso if it was my son.
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Yes.
Its her partner, and she made the decision to leave the poor child in his care,
If she hadn't of left that child with him then none of this would of happened.
Dont get me wrong he's still a pedophile, just one that didn't/wouldn't of got the chance to cause horrific trauma
Im sure if she could make that choice again she would choose differently but the damage is done.
Thank god that the relatives who picked the child up were so upset by her appearance, that they acted on it.
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So you want to inflict violence on the woman whos child was assaulted as you blame her. Nice.
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shut the **** up
Nice. Did you miss the other half of the post where I admitted I was wrong?
the mums to blame
Without knowing detail, that's impossible to call. For all we know, he was outwardly a perfectly normal, loving father until he snapped one day. Or, he could be a complete nutball and she was negligent in leaving the kid with him. It's entirely possible she was partly to blame, maybe all she was thinking of was her next fix; equally, it's entirely possible that she wasn't.
I wonder how she's feeling right now.
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She chose the boyfreind as a partner she trusted him, he broke her trust in a most violent way,both of them will have to live with that forever.
Thing like that happen,and get reported more widely now to sell media space, its sad but people like to read about it, or they wouldnt put it in the media, and thus sell advertising space.
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