ive got a Deal Extreme bike light, and its all i need.
put it on helmet, battery in camel back, jobs a goodun 🙂

trouties seems a bit daft to me, you might as well just go riding in the day?

Bigface0_0 – Member

"I got mine, used it once in the cold -4 and the switch stopped working, never to work again… Its now enjoying its new life in the Bin!!!"

Why on earth would you throw it in the bin, they come with a full warranty 😛 Mine have a good few hundred hours of use now and still both absolutely good as new, even the one I dropped down 3 flights of stone steps and the one that I smacked into a tree at glentress

"like I said the thing that put me off was it just stoppped working in the middle of no where and I rode back to the car in the pitch black."

Any light can fail, so going out with only one is a bit daft, even the very best won't do much lighting if you manage to bang them off a rock or rip out a cable. But even if they were as unreliable as you say- they're not- you could buy 3 for the price of your Vision 2, never mind the Hope 4. Fit 2, if one fails you still have more light than the Hope one can manage, and a spare when you get home!

of course, any one of these lights is better in use than a Hope 2 never mind 2, despite being 1/3rd the price and having twice the burn time (for the P7 bikelight)

I sell them over here, the flashlights that is.
Ive got 4 in stock with everything you need.
It'll cost more than DX, but you get full warranty from me if you have any problems, and the light is tested and checked over before you get it.

PM me if interested.

To anyone else ordering from DX just now, dont forget its Chinese New Year and DX wont be back to work till the 20th, so stop getting annoyed if they dont reply to you!

z1ppy…you dont necessarily have to get the adapter, the charger has 100-250v input so you can lop off the 2-pin & wire on a 3-pin.

Cobblers? And then you concede all 3 points? FWIW I have a joystick and a p7 torch, I have no trouble seeing why people opt for a joystick over a P7 as a helmet mounted torch.

trout…pah.!!!

P7 torch on low setting…

z1ppy…you dont necessarily have to get the adapter

I know but as a first time buyer he might not be aware & it only a pound.

pypdjl – Member
FWIW I have a joystick and a p7 torch, I have no trouble seeing why people opt for a joystick over a P7 as a helmet mounted torch.

You must be one of the few then, all my M8's who owned joysticks, bought a P7 and flogged their JS on ebay. Not that I'd suggest the DX P7 is perfect.

I bought a P7 torch off ebay, um probably 18 months ago now and a cheap handlebar mount. Havent been out on a night ride for ages, but it always did the job! My mate has a hope 900 lumen thing and sure the P7 wasnt as bright but mine didnt cost over £200!!

What i dont get though is that set up has 4 batteries!!! And says 3 hours?? I have used my torch on full power for over 2 hours nearly 3 and it still didnt go flat. Yeah it was a bit dimmer then started but not overly noticeable!

Id definitely recomend a P7 for anyone wanting to night ride on a budget! Only issue i had with mine is the weight of the torch on the cheap mount would keep causing it to rotate on bumps!! Sorted with a bit of rubber though.

I bought a P7 light dual mode from Ebay about 2months ago.
Not sure if mine is faulty but its not as bright as my Hope Vision 2 Which is claimed i think at 400-450 Lumens…
I would say its closer to 250 Lumens maybe 300.
It is well made and i got 2 batteries but i'm a bit gutted its not as bright as i thought it would be, i have emailed the guy from ebay 3 times without response, the torch seems to be working fine and the contacts etc seem to be good but there's no way my one is 900 Lumens not even close to it…

Colin@rush, I would say that is definitely faulty. A P7 is far brighter than a Joystick, which I believe is rated at 240 lumens.

HarveyStedham: Sounds like the torch I am after which one is it?

Mollski

Neither bedmaker or the alledged mate know where those woods are .

it is a beam shot from one of my Liberator lights that was Used by those nice people at Lumilite pretending it was a P7 bastid type beamshot.

pypdjl

"Cobblers? And then you concede all 3 points?"

You must have read some different post? Actually I pointed out exactly why torches are better in every way than a Joystick or Diablo, other than the mount, but then pointed out that you can fit a torch into a joystick mount anyway so that isn't an advantage.

I've ridden with a Joystick, it was just about adequate, I can see why they used to be popular. But my mate who uses one regularily complains that when I'm behind him, he can see more by my lights than by his own. He now has a P7.

Cobblers frankly. You conceded the joystick has a better burn time, and dodged the fact that they are lighter.

I said: "a decent helmet mount, light weight and a much longer burn time would explain it." Presumably when you said "cobblers", you actually meant: "yes, it is lighter and has a better helmet mount, but the burn times are approximately the same"? Only if that is what you intended to say, it would have been clearer to actually say it!

Classy.

Ok I'm getting very bored of this thread now as well, if you'd just point out the shite in stating that something is lighter than something else when it is, in fact, lighter?