456 ti v ragley ti

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456 ti v ragley ti
handyman
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Well shall i wait till next year for a 456 ti or get the ragley one from crc at 10% off anybody ridden both and can give a me users review thanks

Posted 14 years ago

brant
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Posted 14 years ago

nina
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I imagine the 456 Ti is like a beta version of the Ragley Ti so the Ragley must be better. Obviously they are both over priced nonsense bikes so go crazy. Why not wait for the plastic 456, i read somewhere that it will be the most awesome bike in the world apart from the Ragley Plastic…

Posted 14 years ago

brant
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apart from the Ragley Plastic…

There isn't going to be a Ragley Plastic.

Posted 14 years ago

vinnyeh
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nicely hooked nina.

Posted 14 years ago

brant
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nicely hooked nina.

😉

We were looking at carbon, but then I remember all those nasty things I said about it when Mark Lynksey came over – about "envelope stuffing"… and "no soul".

Posted 14 years ago

vinnyeh
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Are plastics a viable frame building material (as opposed to cf)?

Posted 14 years ago

Gerard
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In theory yes. Plastic is such a broad term and there are so many variations of plastic.

I have a friend that's waiting on his wood bike!

Posted 14 years ago

Scienceofficer
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I learned today that my cars anti-roll bars are plastic!

Posted 14 years ago

neilnevill
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The ragley's angles/geometry is closer to the summer season 456 isn't it? i.e. a couple of degrees slacker head angle to give a slack head angle (for confident descending) with a shorter fork (4 inch, not 5 or 6) If so….ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork, if you hanker after a big fork then 456.
Hopefully Brant will explain the differences designed into the 2 bikes a bit better.

Posted 14 years ago

metalheart
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ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork

From 18 Bikes website on the Ragley ti:

Fork length 130-150mm optimised

(which I take to mean the frame being optimised for)

If want to run a 4" probably better with a new Soda…

Posted 14 years ago

neilnevill
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indeed, but the question was ragley or 456.

Posted 14 years ago

brant
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The ragley's angles/geometry is closer to the summer season 456 isn't it?

Not really. Sort of – but the Ragley is designed around 140's, whilst the Summer Season is designed around 100's. I know everyone runs longer on them, but that never was really the point. BB height and seat angle was something I concentrated a lot on with the Ragleys – they keep the seat angle steep and BB not too high, even with the long fork and slack head angle.

ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork, if you hanker after a big fork then 456.

I'm more than happy for people to use 4, 5 or 6in forks on a Ragley.

Posted 14 years ago

neilnevill
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thanks Brant, I've been pondering on this question and the geomtries for a while myself. I wasn't trying to suggest that the ragley didn't suit a longer fork, just that if you prefer a shorter fork then maybe the ragley is the better bike.

Posted 14 years ago

bigrich
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whoops, look like theres a lot of marketing bollocks to unpick.

both can do anything aaaaaaaaaaaamazingly. apparently.

Posted 14 years ago

Janesy
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way too over prices though £1300!!! OMG

Posted 14 years ago

heihei
Full Member

Will be demo-ing an mmmBop back to back with my Ti 456 and my mate's Dialled PA on Sunday. OK – so it's not the Ti Ragley, but should give a good sense of geom differences, as well as being an interesting comparison of the different frame materials. I'll probably post a quick write up here if anyone's interested….

Posted 14 years ago

daveh
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Interest here.

Posted 14 years ago

smiffkin
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And here

Posted 14 years ago