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  • 100 mile road ride on a mtb, will I die?
  • Sam
    Full Member

    As long as your rims aren’t too wide you can fit proper road tyres on your 29er wheels. If your fork is rigid (or has lockout) and your front end is not too high you’ll be fine – all you are giving away is a bit of weight. Back when I was a poor student I won a number of road crits (and in fact was once 3rd in state TT) on a mountain bike with road tyres and a rigid fork – it’s not the end of the world.

    nedrapier
    Full Member

    definitely doable. as said, depends on your friends.

    I did a pannier-ed tour from Surrey – Wiltshire – North Yorks about 10 years ago.

    Cannondale beast of the east, rear tyre worn semi slick. Biggest day was 115 miles Chippenham – Burton. averaged 16mph. Felt pretty good, I certainly wasn’t suffering from all the problems Mr Smith describes.

    But if I was with a bunch of roadies chompibng at the bit, it would have been frustating for them and demoralising for me.

    Ask them what kind of average mph they anticipate doing it in, then take yourself out for a long ride and see if you think it’s realistic.

    nedrapier
    Full Member

    Just read your post again. “Jolly” sounds promising, but it’s all relative!

    TurnerGuy
    Free Member

    You won’t necessarily hurt as much as they do as your riding position is a bit more upright and so they may be getting more back pain than you…

    MrSmith – Member
    really? they have 3 positions to choose from whereas the mtb is stuck with one, their bikes will fit better and any niggles with fit will be exacerbated over long distances.
    the mtb will be too upright with poor weight distribution and your core will not be as strong so your lower back is going to complain as you try to get more aero with the bars too high and your arms too bent to support your weight.
    more weight on the saddle too so that comfy padded mtb armchair saddle is likely to cause some discomfort.
    you are looking at 5.30-6.30hrs riding time, that’s a long time to suffer.

    notice how I used the words necessarily and may ???

    The guys I rode with got more back pain, particularly one so I had to play around with flipping his stem and stem spacers to make it easier.

    whose says a mtb saddle is any different from a road saddle – I have a flite on one bike and an SLR on another – and imho the rest of your comments about weight distribution and core are bs as well.

    MrSmith
    Free Member

    and imho the rest of your comments about weight distribution and core are bs as well.

    you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. mine isn’t bs though it’s based on the fact that usually a mtb is more upright with more weight on the saddle, if the road bike is fitted properly then weight distribution is more even. if you get back pain on a long road ride then something is wrong with your bike-fit/posture or lack of riding time.

    *disclaimer*: the above may not be the case for everyone

    5thElefant
    Free Member

    if you get back pain on a long road ride then something is wrong with your bike-fit/posture or lack of riding time

    “Lack of riding time” is probably the key. I can’t believe a road bike position is ergonomically comfortable. It’s just that road cyclists are deformed to fit over time.

    Swapping from a mountainbike to a road bike won’t be a comfortable experience.

    TurnerGuy
    Free Member

    to the OP:

    I found the stretching by bending over to try and touch my toes whilst trying to keep my back straight (as oppossed to the usual ? shape a bloke would adopt) – which therefore stretched my gluts – was very effective at warding off lower back pain.

    elliptic
    Free Member

    It’s just that road cyclists are deformed to fit over time.

    +1 having been through that process over the last four months.

    For what its worth I did 100-mile plus road rides on a hardtail with slicks / low stem / bar-ends with no drastic consequences, before getting a proper road bike. The road bike does them a bit faster, is all…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    For back pain try lowering your saddle a touch.

    I can’t believe a road bike position is ergonomically comfortable. It’s just that road cyclists are deformed to fit over time

    Disagree with this. Flexibilty helps get into a nice tuck, but there’s no need to put yourself through pain. Just not worth it. Just because roadies are miserable masochistic buggers doesn’t mean you have to be 🙂

    My road bike is supremely comfortable now, after I fettled it a lot.

    5thElefant
    Free Member

    My road bike is supremely comfortable now, after I fettled it a lot.

    High stem and riser bars? 😉

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Hehe.. well a longer stem.. but that’s cos the frame’s a little small.. but I really do like the look of flat barred road bikes.

    elliptic
    Free Member

    no need to put yourself through pain

    Right, you can start with a comfortable more upright MTB-style position, then incrementally lower/stretch it as your body adjusts.

    Which is what I did, and it takes time.

    MrSmith
    Free Member

    one thing to be aware of is check your rims max pressure. most disk rims are not designed to take the 80-120psi of a narrow slick tyre, they can fail quite spectacularly.

    ransos
    Free Member

    A reasonably fit rider, on a slicked-up MTB should have no problem doing 100 miles. I once did 110 miles on a hardtail round the Lancashire Cycleway, and lived to tell the tale. The issue is how fast do you want to go? I only averaged about 13ph, whereas I’ve done the same distance at over on my road bike. I think you need to talk to your mates and find out…

    onewheeltoofew
    Free Member

    For what its worth I did 100-mile plus road rides on a hardtail with slicks / low stem / bar-ends with no drastic consequences, before getting a proper road bike. The road bike does them a bit faster, is all…

    Just out of interest elliptic, you seem to have the necessary experience, how much faster did you find the road bike?

    molgrips
    Free Member

    My guess is 10-20% faster, although when I did my road riding on a flat barred fully rigid stretched out MTB it was a long time ago and I was not as fit as now.

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    My road bike is supremely comfortable now, after I fettled it a lot.

    Funny, was having this discussion with a mate earlier. We decided that “comfort” on a bike doesn’t really mean a lot and is in fact a relative term. My bed is comfortable. So is my sofa. The bike is simply less uncomfortable than others I may have ridden.

    😉

    You’re right though, get the fit correct and a road bike can be so nice to ride; fast, comfy and fun.

    elliptic
    Free Member

    how much faster did you find the road bike?

    Depends on the terrain. Rolling/hilly there doesn’t seem that much in it, on the flat maybe worth 2-3mph average over a long ride for me at the moment (reasonably fit but not a racer).

    The difference is most noticeable in snap acceleration and pushing the pace 20mph+ where the MTB runs into a brick wall (as it were) rather sooner. Not an issue on long steady rides but tends to get you dropped from a quick roadie bunch if they’re riding aggressively. But then they’ll probably drop you anyway whatever you’re riding… 😉

    All that said, I did have my hardtail very specifically set up ie 1.2″ slicks, rigid fork, 48-tooth big ring, narrow flat bars. And I do find the road bike more comfortable for my hands/shoulders in particular (but that’s with four months of conditioning and fettling).

    clarkpm4242
    Free Member

    I managed fine putting Continental Contact Sports on my Stumpjumper. Though the bike with narrow tyres and me with baggies and Camelbak looked very out of place 🙂

    Was about 100k up and down the classic Peak climbs. Found I could cope quite well with the changes in gradient as used to getting into the ‘red zone’ (or some other jargon) compared to the even tempo, tempo, tempo roadies 🙂

    Keep off the front! Which should be no problem…

    onewheeltoofew
    Free Member

    Depends on the terrain. Rolling/hilly there doesn’t seem that much in it, on the flat maybe worth 2-3mph average over a long ride for me at the moment …

    That’s kind of what I thought. Much as I try and justify it, it’s not really worth me changing my slick shod mtb for a road bike to shave 3 mins off a 30 min commute. A road bike wouldn’t look right with flat pedals either 😉
    I’ll just have to work on my fitness in order to chase the roadies down…

    gab344
    Free Member

    It is supposed to be just a social ride out. When pressed further, the figure of “ohh i’d say an average of 15mph” was mentioned, which I think is a pedestrian pace.

    However I don’t want to hold them up unnecessarily, so with that in mind, I was already eyeing up some slicks (28c Conti Grand Prix 4 Season’s on my 24mm ex/19mm int rims?) flipping the stem, and on with some ergon’s w/bar-ends.
    Just have to deal with the faux-pax of turning up with a camelbak, baggies, and a helmet with a peak. 🙂

    molgrips
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    Just have to deal with the faux-pax of turning up with a camelbak, baggies, and a helmet with a peak.

    Don’t be ashamed. Make a statement! Bury them on the climbs, like an MTBer should!

    dirtyrider
    Free Member

    DO NOT GO INTO THE GRANNIE RING

    you ever been to Lincolnshire?

    antigee
    Full Member

    one thing to be aware of is check your rims max pressure. most disk rims are not designed to take the 80-120psi of a narrow slick tyre, they can fail quite spectacularly.

    is that true? when i remember i pump the slicks on mrs antigees commuter to about 80psi and have no idea what the rims are designed for 2nd hand off here – i would have though all the other forces on a rim much higher than the uniform pressure from inner tube

    now putting a very narrow 700c tyre on a wide 29er rim may cause problems but that is tyre width not pressure?

    Don’t know the answer but like to know

    GiantJaunt
    Free Member

    What route are you taking? I’d be very careful. I thought that road was one of the most dangerous in Europe? Or is it a different one in Lincolnshire?

    giantonagiant
    Full Member

    A great point that I was asking myself too giantjaunt.

    The A 15 is a nightmare in a car (yes I own one :-)), never mind on a bike.

    If that’s your route TAKE CARE!

    MrSmith
    Free Member

    is that true?

    seen it with 317’s that have thin road type slicks fitted and pumped to the max (for the tyre) split the tyre bead
    v-brake rims have more meat at the sides but mtb disk rims only have to take 40odd psi
    there are recommended max psi’s for mavic rims, some of the bigger ‘all-mountain’ and freeride rims have 45-50 max psi, the xc rims can take higher though.

    antigee
    Full Member

    MrSmith

    seen it with 317’s that have thin road type slicks fitted and pumped to the max (for the tyre) split the tyre bead
    v-brake rims have more meat at the sides but mtb disk rims only have to take 40odd psi…..

    thanks i’ll look at mavic site was thinking about building some disk 700c wheels so better be more careful on rim selection

    ampthill
    Full Member

    Max pressure for a rim is new to me so I did some thinkinh/research

    Not suprisingle max pressure depends on tyre size

    force = preesure x area

    X317

    from whAT i can see in the picture its

    113 psi for 1″

    49 psi for 2.3″

    I read this from the side of the rim in picture

    I’m taking a hunch that wide rims take lower pressure as they can’t take narrow tyres

    gab344
    Free Member

    Well I just got off the ‘phone with Giant. They recommend a 32c minimum size tyre for the P-XC 29 rim (19mm internal, 24mm external).

    They have no problems with me putting in whatever the tyre manufacturer recommends for this size, which is going to be anything from around 45, to 80 psi. So there you go…. just thought I’d share.

    RepackRider
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    2retro4u
    Marin County, Cali

    In the early ’80s when MTBs were new and road riders were dismissive of them, I regularly went on the “century” rides, organized 100-mile rides on my Ritchey. Since I was selling them at the time, I set up a bike specifically for that type of event, with the lightest rims then available, close-ratio gearing, road pedals, and fat 2.125 tyres pumped to over 5 atmospheres. I had no trouble keeping up. As a former road racer I was experienced in group riding, drafting when necessary and taking monstrous pulls to get rid of slower riders.

    Photo is from a century ride in 1981 that included 8000 feet of climbing, during which only two riders on road bikes managed to pass my friend and myself. I’m on the right.

    gab344
    Free Member

    Great pic ^ Here’s hoping I’ll be smiling as much as your good self, after my ride 🙂

    molgrips
    Free Member

    force = preesure x area

    Yeah but the force on the bead has nothign to do with the size of the tyre.

    ampthill
    Full Member

    I’m thinking of the force pushing the rim outward, not the force on the bead

    the only rim failure I’ve seen was the side pushed

    I’d say bigger tyres exert more force either due to larger area or lower radius of curvature

    molgrips
    Free Member

    The tyre pushes the rim outwards by a force exerted by the bead on the rim.

    MrSmith
    Free Member

    pressure dictates the force on the rim.
    bigger tyres would probably come off the rim before failure, it’s the narrow tyres with their higher max pressure that may cause problems.

    ampthill
    Full Member

    I retract my radius argument total rubbish

    Mr Smith

    Mavic say one the 317 rim you can use a much higher pressure with a thinh tyre

    Molgrips

    are I see

    Why wouldn’t the pressure acting over a bigger area exert more force?

    why do mavic say you can use more pressure in a thinner tyre if tyre size doesn’t matter

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Because pressures is force PER UNIT AREA. So 50psi is still 50psi if it’s over a big tyre or small tyre. And the area of the bead in contact with the rim is the same regardless of the size of the tyre.

    BUT

    A larger tyre has a greater angle between the rim and the tyre sidewall. So the bead has less purchase on the hook on the rim and as MrSmith says the tyre would be more likely to blow off rather than the rim fail.

    ampthill
    Full Member

    Because pressures is force PER UNIT AREA. So 50psi is still 50psi if it’s over a big tyre or small tyre. And the area of the bead in contact with the rim is the same regardless of the size of the tyre.

    I’m not expert on tyres but thats rubbish

    when you pull your breaks you squeeze with a small cylinder. The break fluid behind the piston is at the same pressure. But it acts on a bigger area hence more force

    its pounds per square inch

    1 square inch 50 pounds

    2 square inches 100 pounds

    10 square inches 1000 pounds

    molgrips
    Free Member

    That’s exactly what I just said.

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