Why do English people do that?

Peterfile, pls tell me that you are not suggesting that either the Herald or The Scotsman refrain from UK wide reporting?

Is there not a difference between a publication which promotes itself as being Scottish rather than UK? Of course they both report wider than their geographic location, however I doubt many Londoners buy the Herald expecting UK wide reporting from a UK neutral perspective, in the same way that folks in Glasgow won’t buy the Standard

I’m being devil’s advocate here, I really don’t care either way, I struggle to get wound up by this, but I know many who do.

Surely a well researched and written piece which properly explores its SUBJECT is far preferable to a bog standard one which carefully sidesteps the many many issues that people have with word/phrase selection? I’d judge it on whether the article did what it was supposed to, and let the author away with the more minor stuff. You can’t please all people all of the time 😉

thegeneralist

Good work.

It seems some Scottish people like to moan when they are assumed to be part of the UK, and also moan when they are considered a separate country. 😕

Trying to decide between Mooch, Coffee Cali and Copa House really takes it out of you doesn’t it?

Was just over the border in Hebden yesterday, getting a haircut at John’s and having a mooch around – nice to see nearly everyone back to normal after the flooding.

Aye it’s a tough life. 🙂

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

Have we established that the journo is English…he may be a Scotsman living in England for all we know.

I’ve never seen anyone is Scotland with a chip on their shoulder, such as waste of fried food…

IGMC

I struggle with long sentences.

I blame Mel Gibson for all this.

Edit – pesky forum filter!

😀

I was just reading something that said Scotland’s poor health was down to the death of heavy industry – so it’s all Maggie’s fault.

he may be a Scotsman living in England for all we know

or a woman?

The chip prevalent amongst many nationalists is coming out. Again I recently said that they get worked up over things like the Premership and the UK weather map, and am being proved correct.

Wow you are proved correct again who knew

pls tell me that you are not suggesting that either the Herald or The Scotsman refrain from UK wide reporting?

I think he was rather obviously saying a scottish newspaper will have a scottish bias – please tell me you are not incapable of accepting this as reasonable instead of responding with a weak straw man response rather than accept its a reasonable point

I really can’t see what the fuss is about.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

Last night on the world land speed record he was asked why he did it

” For britain and for the hell of it!”
Cue voice over then saying he was the first englishman to hold the record since Campbell – that is what the english do – Murray was off course the first Brit to win wimbeldon though.

Its not a huge deal but it is prevalent and shows an english centric view
Within england you get a southern centric view [ most media is there ] and regarding the weather Greg Dyke moved much of the BBC north as the weather report described bad weather and storms with the words
” and the good news is it is heading north.

If the english wish to not care or call folk names for this then that is their choice but it hardly negates the point and rather reinforces the ignorance that perpetuates these sort of statements.

I just hate all these narrow minded little Englanders and Scotlanders with their petty arguments. In fact I’m so sick of the bigoted, racist carping that the time has come leave this union of perpetual moaners and declare a land of free thinking peoples. Yes it’s time for a free Yorkshire! Yes I do understand that it will need to include Hull.

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

And you’d be wrong.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

I can see why using England and Britain interchangeably is annoying but this isn’t the same thing surely.

Of course it will be a free Yorkshire – you lot have never been known to pay for owt! 😛

Yes I do understand that it will need to include Hull.

But it’s never dull in Hull

Where is the **** article anyway?

I can see why using England and Britain interchangeably is annoying but this isn’t the same thing surely

You think describing a place in the UK from an english perspective is not english centric 😕

But it’s never dull in Hull

Chris Rea’s classic ‘We’re on the road to Hull’ makes it sound quite dull.

Rod Hull was Dull but his bird was excitable

Me thinks you is all missing da point..

It’s a few trees in some lovely countryside, t’is all, border or no border.. it was there long before we were.

I say enjoy it then head home happy.

😉

You think describing a place in the UK from an english perspective is not english centric

That’s not quite what I said. It is perhaps English-centric but understandable if the writer is English and most of his readership is English too.

I guess that as the colonial oppressors this is just one of those things we don’t get.

Is living in Bolton and having an English accent English-centric btw? 😛

Hi, I’m baby from SP3509

That’s at 51.7803809 Lat and -1.417656299999976 Long.

Saves any of the nonsense really, doesn’t it?

Like you I am just doing missionary work and trying to civilise the native savages 😉

Junkyard

I really can’t see what the fuss is about.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

I’m Scottish though.

dont be defeating my well crafted arguments with inconvenient facts 😳

😆

In fairness, when i was a yoof, i occasionally got it into my head that Scotland was living in the shadow of England at times. Frustrating thoughts for a young man who had barely spent any time outside Scotland.

8 years of living in various parts of England and Italy soon changed that. I’m happier now as a Scot than before I left Scotland, I see our country in a different light.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn’t move.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn’t move.

Meh. Depends whether or not after independence the English decide to invade to claim some of the best trail centres. Then it would be just over the border, in England.

Soon it will be: just over Hadrian’s Wall II…

Well it does, because “over” means you’ve travelled “over” the border.

If I said to someone in Newcastle that Berwick-upon-Tweed was just over the English border they’d rightly be confused.

Perhaps “just inside the Scottish border” would have been better?

As many have said, it seems like an incredibly small thing, but it is part of a far bigger pattern and attitude.

thegeneralist – Member

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

And you’d be wrong.
Do tell.

“Of course it will be a free Yorkshire – you lot have never been known to pay for owt!”

Yes it reminds me of a place north of the border, everything being free and what ave you (or owt for nowt). I’ve even heard talk of deep fried Mars Bars on prescription, with medical research into deep fried pizza to follow! It’s time a Free Yorkshire were proper free like them Jocks, they can keep the skirts though. You’d get well ****-ed down Fartown in one of them. We could a ave song like then funny fellas with glasses (the Ponderers), I can see n hear crowds massed voices at the John Smiths Stadium (for a home international?) singing “Sunshine on Golcar”. It brings a tear to the eye already, mind that could bin smoke from Crowthers chimney.

You will all be welcome t free depart (the mean start) of the Tour of Yorkshire next year. Two days in Gods country then of to foreign lands, a day int south (you have give somefin since their payin),then off to France. It’s a first for the Yorkshire tour, see we think big here and are free with it. Not like that bloody sports day down London last year or that mini version in Gorbals next year.

Now back t mill to work on me carding machine. See the!

Cry Freedom Cry Yorkshire!

Do tell.

I wouldn’t say that the OP has a chip on his shoulder, more a frustration at slightly careless journalism (which perhaps fuels some sort of other issue he harbours re the balance of Englishness in the union).

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Comedy gold.

Has this been done yet?

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Do keep up at the back….

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn’t move.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

What’s the point of giving a detailed forecast for an area the size of half of Wales that a couple of thousand people live whilst condemning 7 million people in the South of England to leaving home without a brolly because there wasn’t enough explanation of where the showers were going to be that day?

The forecast data doesn’t get any more accurate in higher population density areas though 🙂

Just be glad you don’t live in the Scilly isles or Channel Islands. They get mentioned once a month at most.

I’m in Wales and I don’t have a problem with this article. If someone says ‘just north of the border in Scotland’ all that says to me is that they are sitting in England writing it. So what?

There is a lot of media coverage of the South East, yes, but far more stuff goes on there because so many people live there. Can’t argue with that. I grew up in Herefordshire, which practically never got a mention on the news. But that’s cos nothing much happened there. Even our ‘local’ news, Midlands Today, was a bit ridiculous because nothing ever happens in the Midlands at large either, besides some crime. Wales today is much more interesting, and if I want Welsh news I watch that.

Like it or not a large portion of the stuff affecting the UK happens in the SE, so that’s why it’s on the news a lot.

Re the snow – you should try a rush hour drive in a built up part of the SE. It’s bedlam even in good weather, on a different level to the rest of the country ime. Then go there when it snows, and you’ll see exactly why there’s such carnage. It’s not because Southerners are innately useless.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

As you are already over the border in Scotland, you don’t need to cross any border to get there 🙄

Do tell

Born and bred Englishman. Living in England.