- Which steel xc hardtail for racing?
I've got an Orange 5 and a One one Ti 456 both great but at similar things. Looking to sell the 456 and buy a steel hardtail for xc racing, southern series, gorrick that sort of thing. 100m travel preferable what are my options? Not a big fan of carbon and used to like the feel of by P7.Posted 8 years agoboxelderSubscriber
The Life isn't light enough for proper flat out whippet boy racing, but excellent for everything else. Frame is 4.6lb in 18". I've raced 10 under events etc on mine with 100mm Rebas, but it's now more fun oriented with 100-130 Revs.
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steel for xc racing? why not go for a decent frame designed for those sort of shenanigans. It's always going to be a compromise otherwise. Have you thought about something like an anthem? Even with a conservative build it'll be lighter, faster and more comfortable for enduros than a good quality steel frame.Posted 8 years agofreegan bikefascistSubscriber
some good suggestions there, RL 853 probably the best value at a guess. Steel will bring a weight penalty of around half a kilo over an ally frame ofc depending on what you're comparing with what, so bear that in mind
I would add RM Blizzard (Merlin and Wiggle have restricted sizes for cheap atm) and Kona Explosive. One that gets talked up for value and weight but I've never ridden is the Hansom Dog Talisman
but wishlist time I'd be choosing between that Sanderson (OMG that looks lovely) and a De KerfPosted 8 years ago
I use the 5 for enduros and am fairly succesfull as an amatuer racer even been in the top 10 at my 100km/6hr distance.
For short 1 to 2hr xc races such as Gorrick or Southern series I race masters, ultimately I'm faster on a comforatble steel HT than I am on a carbon weight weeny machine that beats me to death! (All except a Whyte 19 Team that I can't afford)
Have had xtc from sponsor in past and back to back against my old P7 I was faster on the P7. Also rode an Anthem X1 at Enduro 6 last year great bike but not for me prefer the 5 over that distance. And before people say isn't a 5 heavy, I think 26lb is respectable for an all day endurance machine.
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Orange R8 or Sanderson look like good options. Bloody heck De Kerf is nice but pricey!Posted 8 years agofreegan bikefascistSubscriber
not all carbon frames are back hammers. I have an IBIS Tranny that is amazingly compliant and over small stuff (like Flemish cobbles) you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a softtail. Yet it is fantastically stiff laterally and accellerates like it has a separate power source. ofc wheels and tyres play their part but on that I have a fairly stiff wheelset (Easton XCOne) and 2.1 tyres
Tranny is about as expensive as a de kerf though and not neartly as light as other carbon framesPosted 8 years agothe-muffin-manSubscriber
There's only one maker I can think of that does XC racing light steel frames and that's Scapin. I don't think they have a current UK importer though…Posted 8 years agothe-muffin-manSubscriber
Then again – how about the new Pace…
Posted 8 years agodoboMember
i got a 3.1 pound scandium kona frame and an approx 5 pound steel pipedream sirius, the sirius is running singlespeed the kona gears, bizarley i'm hardley any slower and sometimes faster singlespeed on some courses, both bikes about same weight, a pound or so on the frame is not going to make that much difference, the sirius is more comfortable too.Posted 8 years ago
i'm not recommending the steel sirius as a race bike but it can do that, a ti or 853 version would be more suitable, get on old steel kona and some bling wheels 🙂househusbandSubscriber
I think you would feel the extra weight in the frame, you can't compensate for it fully with componentry.
Cotic Soul would be nice and racey with 100mm forks. Chromag Sakura is very, very light for a steel frame – pricey though.
Re the Merlin Rock Lobster mentioned above; I'd suggest that they are too short in the top tube to race.Posted 8 years ago13thfloormonkMember
Would second the Charge Duster, hadn't mentioned it here because there are a few lighter steel frames around.
That said, mine has reminded me why steep angles and short chainstays can be so much fun, if you've got the legs to keep it moving its unbelievably good fun in tight singletrack, and gives you the option to run some pretty hefty tyres too, so it can take the hits over roots etc.
Problem is, I'm now getting so carried away on it that I seem to be tearing a lot of tyres…
Makes a great singlespeed too, would be nice to have slidey drops though.Posted 8 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
The Soul would work acceptably well… But would still be a little heavy, and expensive. It's what I'll be using but then I don't think I'll really be racing, I'll just be participating in a race 😉 I know it's been said but steel just isn't all that good a choice.
If you want something that's a bit more suitable, get a Scandal. No it's not steel but it's a pretty compliant aluminium frame, and it's substantially lighter and cheaper. I think most people who make the "steel is real, aluminium is stiff" assumptions would be surprised by these.Posted 8 years ago
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