sorry but that’s far too Detectorists for me not to laugh

grave

zombies?!?!?

torygraph coverage bit more sensational….

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/poisoned-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-close-consultant-linked/

FWIW I know of & have used several scintilation counters within 10 minute walk of litvinenkos hospital bed

From Wikipedia: “Alpha particles are a hugely ionizing form of particle radiation. When they result from radioactive alpha decay they have low penetration depth. In this case they can be absorbed by a few centimeters of air, or by the skin.” It’s not like they gave him a Po210 bath.

Remember folk, we turned Iraq into a smoking hole in the desert for less than this. They weren’t even caught with WMD, nevermind the fact that they never had the brass balls to use nerve agents on our population

Iraq was about lovely lovely oil, nothing to do with weapons.

Iraq was about lovely lovely oil, nothing to do with weapons

Hang on – I thought it was about human rights abuses and moral rectitude

It’s a popular theme the thing about Iraq being about oil, but in reality (used to work for a global oil industry analysis and tracking system) the % of US oil imports from Iraq were miniscule back then (I think less than 5%) and dropped after the wars, have crept up a bit in last year or two but still tiny. There was no oil export frenzy in iraq after the wars. The persian gulf doesn’t account for nearly as much of their oil imports as folk think, if they were going to invade anywhere for oil it’d be Canada or South America

@kimbers: I don’t doubt there are scint counters near hospitals, I assume they’d be used for swipe testing of areas where radiation therapy is used or prepared, and also in research areas.

However, Litvinenko wasn’t diagnosed until after a few weeks as a last resort they sent samples to Aldermaston for gamma testing. This of course came back (nearly) negative too, and it was only a chance conversion that suggested Po, which was then tested for and confirmed. All in here: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33678717

It’s a popular theme the thing about Iraq being about oil, but in reality (used to work for a global oil industry analysis and tracking system) the % of US oil imports from Iraq were miniscule back then (I think less than 5%) and dropped after the wars, have crept up a bit in last year or two but still tiny

I thought the (conspiracy? – if you like) theory was that it happened in order to open up a state monopoly to allow in US extraction companies – regardless of the oil’s final destination ?

You only need picomoles

You only need picomoles

i think you’d notice him!

Oh FFS! Damn you Flashy!

😀

It’s ironic that Picamoles is a big unit.

Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.

We don’t have the clout anymore to do anything meaningful about it, so why stir the pot?

There will be a fudge, renegade elements will be blamed, the carpet will be replaced neatly over the top.

Britain. Know your place.

It’s ironic that Picamoles is a big unit.

You should see his brother, femtomoles

Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.

We don’t have the clout anymore to do anything meaningful about it, so why stir the pot?

There will be a fudge, renegade elements will be blamed, the carpet will be replaced neatly over the top.

Britain. Know your place.

As if Russia, the economic dogturd that it is, has any clout.

As if Russia has any clout. This is a desperate act by Putin and one to try to sure up his popularity in Russia to show the Russian people he’s a strong leader and retain his support and stronghold over the Russian people. He’s trying to act like a global leader but making a hash of it and just isolating himself internationally and becoming the next Kim Jon un type of character.

britain dowsn’t Have to do anything about it. Just exposing it does all the damage. Put in doesn’t casre as he’s desperately trying to cling onto domestic power. Just like his pathetic announcement a few weeks ago about is ‘new generation of unstoppable nukes’.

Putin maybe posturing and full of filibuster, but the same happened back in the Cold War era and a whole industry (intelligence, information and weapons) was built around the perceived threat.

Thats enough right there.

Maybe we are on route to a new Cold War era..

re iraq oil monopoly, nope – most of the big operators in iraq aren’t US –

BP, shell, petronas (malaysia), petrochina, lukoil (russia), eni (italy), CNOOC, CNPC (china), japex (japan), total (france) etc

out of over 20 operators only 2 are US

There’s probably quite a few politicians dodgy offshore investments will rely on holdings in the London property bubble, which is helped kept afloat by a lot of Russian money..

Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.

And you know this how, exactly? Seeing as how the investigation into Litvinyenko led directly to the Russian government, and to two specific individuals without the police investigation being ‘spiked’, as you call it, I think you’re stretching it to suggest that would happen in what has become such a high-profile case.

Especially now over 100 military specialists in NBC warfare have been drafted in.

most of the big operators in iraq aren’t US

But they’re all using US service companies – Halliburton etc.

Russian state media are now warning ‘traitors’ about living in Britain:

In an apparent threat, Mr Kleymenov advised “traitors” against moving to Britain, adding: “Something is wrong there. Maybe it’s the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.

“People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities.”

If that isn’t a threat, showing that retribution will be exacted, regardless of where you choose to live, I don’t know what is!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/10/russian-state-tv-warns-traitors-dangers-living-britain/

I assume 007 has been briefed and is planning his next move? (After a Martini of course…)

Assuming this is a Russian spy hit, then at what point do we say that enough is enough and it’s one thing to knock off your enemies but spreading super deadly poison around is too much?

Something is wrong there. Maybe it’s the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.

He makes a valid point.

I assume that somewhere along the way the possibility’s been eliminated that Skripal has been (mis)handling a British product removed from Porton Down, and that all along he’s been a triple agent, infiltrated to this country, during a spy swap, as a sleeper?

Media reporting,21 plus staff treated in hospital, 2 ambulances seized for destruction,air ambulance on the list,restaurant closed down , graveyard closed,visitors to restaurant told to wash all clothes and all jewelry, and to clean mobile phones etc, and double bag all cleaning cloths, army on the streets, and huge police responce.

All to get back at russia, for whatever reason,going to be some red faces .

Hee hee, loving all the tub-thumping.

Russia may be a basket case and may not have masses of clout, but they’ve got a hell of a lot more say than Britain.

This is Putin saying “You and I both know, Theresa, that you can’t do anything about this kind of stuff. Unless you play along with me, I won’t help you keep up the illusion”.

A couple of diplomats might get ‘expelled’ and then quietly replaced a couple of months later.

This was our local “event” involving a jellycopter.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4503383.Was_Portland_based_lawyer_murdered_by_Russians_/

Salisbury Onesie..

Diners at Zizi advised to “wash their clothes”, well that’s alright then. Everything will be hunky dory after a good wash. 40 or 60 degree programme ?

Well, all the mil do is put fuller’s earth on it 😆 Washing it away is diluting it down to ineffective. Over to the homeopathy thread….

Our reaction to this will be pathetic as we need Putin’s gas.

According  to British Gas only about 12 percent comes from Russia.

visitors to restaurant told to wash all clothes and all jewelry, and to clean mobile phones etc, and double bag all cleaning cloths

Excellent advice if you ask me- encourage anyone who’s concerned their possessions might have been contaminated to thoughly handle all the potentially contaminated items

According to British Gas only about 12 percent comes from Russia.

12 percent is ‘a lot’.

It’s turned into one of the more impressive dead cats, it has to be said.

Still doing decom a week after the agent was released? Spare me the bs. They know we know who did it, what they used and why. Everything since has been ramped up into full public panic mode. And why was a DS the first on the scene? Coincidence?

Last week personnel were in NBC suits. This week they’re in pressurized suits. It’s a bit late for that.