- Voting – is it purely about what's in your own interests
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I wondered who votes thinking purely about what’s best for them, or what’s best for the country, poor people etc?Posted 4 years agoscotroutesMemberwombat wrote:
what’s best for the country, poor people etc
This for me.[/quote]And for me. I think there’s also an element of wanting what is “best” for your children (if you have any). I tend to think that I’m past the stage of caring about what happens to me and concentrate more on my daughters future.Posted 4 years agomunrobikerMember
what’s best for the country, poor people etc
Same for me. I’ve not used the welfare state, nor do I intend to unless I have to, but it’s important to me that it exists.
I do let a party’s immigration policy sway me quite heavily though, which is a personal interest. But while I’ll never vote for UKIP because of their immigration policy alone I’ll never vote for the Conservatives because of their immigration policy and how they treat the poor and the welfare state.Posted 4 years ago
I was brought up in a reasonably political environment, I remember how shocked I was the day I discovered that some people actually voted for who they thought was best for them personally, rather than what was best for the country. The thought had never occurred to me.Posted 4 years agonemesisSubscriber
I should vote Tory.
I’ll wind up voting Green.
I remember how shocked I was the day I discovered that some people actually voted for who they thought was best for them personally, rather than what was best for the country
I thought that people did vote for what was best for them (83 election, I was about 8 or 9), a bit like you’d pick your mates in football, until my Dad set me straight (he voted Green IIRC). I remember being quite surprised. We weren’t a political family though so I guess I was probably fairly naive about politics at that time.Posted 4 years ago
I discovered that some people actually voted for who they thought was best for them personally,
To be fair to those who did / do, that was Thatcher’s main message to society for the beat part of 15 years. “F*** everyone else, just worry about how much cash you have.”
What does that really mean though?
The common good?
I see it as helping the largest number of people with more emphasis on those who have least. If my taxes go up to pay for that, then I’m fine with that.Posted 4 years agofin25Member
Simple demographics, political parties and the media split us all down into groups, then sell us things based on what group they think we fit into. Most manifestos now seem built around the idea that people vote based on self-interest, which is then reinforced by media, who constantly focus on what it all means for YOU.Posted 4 years ago
It would appear that our rulers are big believers in game theory.cynic-alSubscriber
ninfan – Member
Game theory innit
Voting for a good welfare state/nhs/societal issues is ultimately done for selfish reasons, as it creates an environment where you feel safe & supported, don’t worry about cost of health, crime etc.
Not at all – middle classes don’t need to worry as much about crime as they live in decent areas and also get decent education, etc etcPosted 4 years agoRob HiltonMember
I’m probly best off in the short term with the Tories in agen – I will, however, be voting Green. And not regretting it 🙂
In my mind Tories/UKIP & to a lesser extent Labour stand to serve: Me (selfish), Us (insular), Them (xenophobic) and Green stand for: Us (inclusive)Posted 4 years agonickcSubscriber
Same as Ernie.
It continues to surprise me that people still vote for parties that have no interest in the country as a whole, but merely a teeny subset of it, and on the back of a ‘dream’ sold to them that they can earn a place amongst that teeny subset (if only they wok hard enough, etc etc).Posted 4 years ago
It continues to surprise me that people still vote for parties that have no interest in the country as a whole, but merely a teeny subset of it, and on the back of a ‘dream’ sold to them that they can earn a place amongst that teeny subset (if only they wok hard enough, etc etc).
That’s been the thinking in the US for the last 50 years and look how well it’s worked out there!Posted 4 years agobinnersSubscriber
Theres a word for people who vote purely for themselves, and their own narrow selfish interests, which generally involves wanting more money, and shiny things for ME, ME, ME!!!!
They’re called Tories. According to the polls they depressingly represent about 30+% of the populationPosted 4 years agoRockape63Member
That’s my reasoning. Given IDS’ persecution of the poor and disabled, I could never vote for the Tories as I find them morally repugnant.
I’m sure IDS has not set out to persecute the poor and disabled. Does anyone think that the welfare state had not got out of control and certain people were using it as a crutch? Why should these people be allowed to get away with that?
The problem seems to have been that certain overzealous Inspectors have disbelieved honest claiments which is going to happen occasionally given the numbers involved. Your statement is a complete distortion of the facts…IMHO!Posted 4 years agosoobaliasMember
Climate policies.Posted 4 years ago
with thanks to the Centre for Alternative Technology.Rockape63Member
They’re called Tories. According to the polls they depressingly represent about 30+% of the population
Thats Bollox Binners and you know it! There are always extremes, but all the Tories I know and associate with are hard working people who pay their taxes and look after their families.Posted 4 years agobigblackshedSubscriber
Guess the politician:
“We are not here in this world to find elegant solutions, pregnant with initiative, or to serve the ways and modes of profitable progress. No, we are here to provide for all those who are weaker and hungrier, more battered and crippled than ourselves. That is our only certain good and great purpose on earth, and if you ask me about those insoluble economic problems that may arise if the top is deprived of their initiative, I would answer ‘To hell with them.’ The top is greedy and mean and will always find a way to take care of themselves. They always do.”Posted 4 years ago
I’m sure IDS has not set out to persecute the poor and disabled.
It is extremely important for the Tories to demonize the poor and the disabled, in the nicest possible way of course.
It is precisely by demonizing those who depended on welfare to make ends meet, and cast them as undeserving, that the Tories are most likely able to slash the welfare bill and minimize taxation for the wealthy elite, non doms, tax dodgers, etc., while redirecting money to for example Trident replacement.
They would have some explaining to do if they freely admitted that those on low wages and with disabilities deserved greater help while at the same time they slashed the welfare bill.Posted 4 years agohatterSubscriber
Ironically amongst all talk of the nice middle class socially aware tyres on here that will be voting Green next week we’ve missed by far the biggest voting against own interests block.
The average age of the a UKIP voter is 62.
Judging by UKIP’s plans for the NHS, pensioners voting for UKIP = Turkeys voting for Christmas.Posted 4 years agoScottCheggMember
so I don’t blindly vote for any particular one
I thing this is key. Some people will vote for a party no matter what they planned to do. Labour or Tory burned into their souls.
My dad is in a right mess. He was a true leftie; shop steward, picketed at Wapping; yet he can’t face voting Labout after what they did when they got in last time.
But he can’t face voting Tory/UKIP/Green; it’s against his programming.
What can he do?Posted 4 years ago
Guess the politician
I did actually. The bit which always sticks in my head is : “The top is greedy and mean and will always find a way to take care of themselves”.
It’s so true and yet you would be surprised how many worry people about the plight of the super rich elite.Posted 4 years agodazhSubscriber
I’m lucky enough to have a fairly decent job, house, and relatively comfortable life so it makes little difference to me personally which party is in power. For the people at the bottom though it makes a massive, life-changing difference so I’ll be voting for them not myself.Posted 4 years ago
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