*sets reminder for dec 2019*

^ that. Sigh.

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In other news, Disney seem to have acquired the rights to the orignal Star Wars as well as X-Men, Deadpool and Fantastic Four. Part of me leapt for joy at the prospect of Massive Marvel Mayhem (© Stan Lee Alliteration Ltd.), the other part wept at the prospect of our Disney overlords taking even more of my money.

Nah, I’m still failing to see how a small number of “rebels” can do anything pro-active against the Order. Its too thin, a handful of badly weaponised gang running for cover each time the Order finds them in another part of the galaxy?

There you go that’s the plot.

not much.. just about a couple of feet.. easily missed if you aren’t looking for it, but its a tiny glimmer of “Hope” for the rebels in that “the force” is still deep with some.

You’d have to clearing up your popcorn spillages to miss that bit, it was just the kid and his broom in shot.

You’d have to clearing up your popcorn spillages to miss that bit, it was just the kid and his broom in shot.

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This. For the ultimate dark side bad guy he’s awfully conflicted.

Snoke was coercing Ren into feeling conflicted so that Rey could be lured to Snoke’s mothership’ believing she had a chance to turn him to the light, as explained during their confrontation

I am definitely looking forward more to the one-off films than i am the main story now, i really enjoyed Rogue One for what it was a Dirty Dozen style war film, and i think that the spin-offs give the directors chance to do what they really want to do and not have to worry about story-arcs and the like and they childish films that the main series are becoming.

Can we get a Tarantino 18 rated one!?

Snoke was coercing Ren into feeling conflicted so that Rey could be lured to Snoke’s mothership’ believing she had a chance to turn him to the light, as explained during their confrontation

And how did that work out for him?
Not buying it, he was all over the place in the last one as well.

they childish films that the main series are becoming.

They were always meant for kids.

Can we get a Tarantino 18 rated one!?

Or how about a John Woo one with Porgs instead of doves flying everywhere in the fight scenes?

Nah, I’m still failing to see how a small number of “rebels” can do anything pro-active against the Order. Its too thin, a handful of badly weaponised gang running for cover each time the Order finds them in another part of the galaxy?

Cut the head off the snake

If they were brother and sister I think Leia and Han might have known about it!

Not if she was taken or sent away as a baby for some as yet unexplained ludicrous reason.

And she can’t sense it even though she’s super-force girl.

If they were brother and sister I think Leia and Han might have known about it!
Not if she was taken or sent away as a baby for some as yet unexplained ludicrous reason.

“Han, you remember that year when I got really fat, then all of a sudden got thin again. Weird eh?”

Virgin Leila. Interesting.

It’ll have been Yoda getting up to no good!

Just saw it. After all the great reviews, I was so excited. Man alive did it suck?!!!!!!

Felt like any other CGI popcorn sci-fi film. Just not worthy of the Star Wars name. Maybe I am getting old (OK, I am getting old) and have 1977 rose tinted glasses, but even as a 44 year old I can watch A New Hope today and still enjoy it.

Too much women’s lib, too many plot holes, too many Disney moments (riding flippin’ space horses FFS?!), too many flippant endings to juicy open questions from The Force Awakens, too little tension and detail around Rey’s training (how did she fight the most powerful leader of the Dark Side after basically 3 days of training when Luke spent months on Dagoba with Yoda and still wasn’t ready?!).

And the CGI sucked too.

I hated it and for me the 19th December will be remembered as the day that the franchise died (and I even forgave episodes 1-3 in the end). How can this be worse than anything featuring Ja Ja flippin’ Binks?!

For the avoidance of doubt, I didn’t like it. Not one bit.

Just got back from the cinema, I’m sad to say I’m pretty disappointed.

I’m sure there’s a good film in there, but it’s lost in sea of silly jokes and worse still really bad acting – sad to say it, but there’s a reason why Mark Hamill hasn’t worked much since the original 3, he’s the worst thing in it. Frankly I’m glad Luke is dead, and sadly since Carrie Fisher passed away the final episode will just have the new cast which is no bad thing, they’re far better than the old ones.

I’m really gutted I didn’t like it, the Pro reviews were so glowing, and despite to avoid spoilers I avoided viewer reviews but it’s fair to say they’re much more mixed.

Drac – Moderator
You’d have to clearing up your popcorn spillages to miss that bit, it was just the kid and his broom in shot

Too many people leaving the film early, made a bit of a racket.. but I waited until the end and noticed it. Thought I’d mention it in case you were one that left early..

Han, you remember that year when I got really fat, then all of a sudden got thin again. Weird eh?”

Omg seriously? I’m not suggesting Leia doesn’t know she had a daughter but that she was given away for some as yet unexplained ludicrous reason like the rest of the ludicrous plot.

Watched it last night and read the thread after.
Opening feelings were it was ROTJ, 15 mins in I really didn’t care, the opening stall them bit was weird but set the tone for a film that really enjoyed itself. I might be in the minority who can sit and absorb something for 2 1/2 hrs but it was compelling and well done.
Yes you had to suspend disbelief but there are people who can move rocks, lift spaceships and fly faster than light with no oxygen supply and ignore any decompression. If that bothers you then probably avoid films in general.
I laughed, I cried, I felt connected to the characters and loved it.

I’m not sure if that is the end of Snoke, but the birth of Ren into the supreme leader was a highlight, the fight and the reaction was well done and probably the highlight for me in there, it brings together the difficulty and the lack of an absolute path of right/wrong, the rage and anger in Rey is both important and difficult for her, she has no mentor now she has to choose her path.

Also the trailer was a great act of misdirection, well done with that.

Too much women’s lib

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You lost me with your opening point!

Omg seriously? I’m not suggesting Leia doesn’t know she had a daughter but that she was given away for some as yet unexplained ludicrous reason like the rest of the ludicrous plot.

You did actually suggest it though!

If they were brother and sister I think Leia and Han might have known about it!
Not if she was taken or sent away as a baby for some as yet unexplained ludicrous reason.

Not sure why it would be ludicrous, surely it would be for similar reasons to Luke and Leia being separated?

Rey doesn’t have a ‘special’ lineage. It’s basically one of the major threads throughout the entire film.

Well it is but Kylo only tells her what he seen as her heritage is near the end, could be he was lying.

I mean “laser sword”?! It’s a **** Light Sabre FFS!

Not to mention – first half, the Rebels are trying to escape from the First Order, but they can’t so the first order inch closer and closer with a massive weapon much peril.

Wow, that was intense, what shall we do in the second half…

Second half, the Rebals are true to escape from the first Order, but they can’t do the first Order inch closer and closer with a massive weapon…

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I mean “laser sword”?! It’s a **** Light Sabre FFS!

They were trying to show you that Luke was eschewing all that he used to hold dear. Not using the term ‘light sabre’ was a way of doing that.

P-Jay – Member
Just got back from the cinema, I’m sad to say I’m pretty disappointed.

I’m sure there’s a good film in there, but it’s lost in sea of silly jokes and worse still really bad acting – sad to say it, but there’s a reason why Mark Hamill hasn’t worked much since the original 3, he’s the worst thing in it.

Seriously? He was excellent. You seem to be mistaking him for the actual Luke Skywalker, as many have- he was an actor, playing a part, a part that called for him to show rejection of his previous life- I thought he did it brilliantly. You’re disappointed that he’s not the traditional Luke and I can get that, but his acting was peerless.

And- he’s not dead….

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost. Snoke is dead and doesn’t have a back story because they never wrote one. Who needs to know about the origin and motivation of the guy who destroyed Luke’s legacy? Not important! Rey is a nobody because they wrote it that way after TFA. And Kylo isn’t lying because that would imply a level of attention to the overall narrative that I don’t believe is there.

If it turns out Andy Serkis is filming for IX I will extend a bit of hope that the story will be resolved at the end but I’m not convinced it will be right now.

and doesn’t have a back story because they never wrote one

Expresses opinion without the relevant facts… Standard STW

Do you think George Lucas is collecting negative reviews of the recent films for his scrapbook?

Doubtful, but he’s probably ready STW for insight and inspiration 😆

We all know The Franchise polarises opinion, and we’re all blessed with opinion 😆

How do you like your popcorn? Sweet or

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Inside knowledge says he has a cameo in the next film but someone close to him has a much bigger part – ghost Sith Lord anyone?

Yeah, it’s shit isn’t it? I was in denial for a bit there but no, it’s shit.

‘Laser sword’, ‘chrome dome’, Maz’s innuendo, ‘godspeed’ and ‘soul’, just get in the **** sea with the whole sorry lot.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy

Nice summary of some of the backlash/hate

and doesn’t have a back story because they never wrote one
Expresses opinion without the relevant facts… Standard STW

I see your snarky STW response and I raise you this… listen from 18.50. Johnson says Snoke’s story is not relevant to this one.

Mike, straight up there’s a problem with that Vox summary – “galaxy-spanning”? It’s set in another galaxy, neither close nor recent, as the first film made quite clear. How can I take anything they say seriously after that in the sub-heading?

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Inside knowledge says he has a cameo in the next film but someone close to him has a much bigger part – ghost Sith Lord anyone? do tell!

@wordnumb by just reading it…. some really good points

Seriously? He was excellent. You seem to be mistaking him for the actual Luke Skywalker, as many have- he was an actor, playing a part, a part that called for him to show rejection of his previous life- I thought he did it brilliantly. You’re disappointed that he’s not the traditional Luke and I can get that, but his acting was peerless.

Glad you enjoyed it, that wasn’t really my problem – I find that he gurns a lot, his expressions are over-the-top and unconvincing to me. “Peerless” is a bit strong, Denzel Washington in Training Day was peerless, Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds was peerless, Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men.

Did anyone notice how Astral Projection Luke was the imagine of the flash back? darker beard, shorter hair – oh and they CGI’d MH’s head onto a body about 3 stone lighter than his?

I have to confess I thought it was pretty average.
Went with next-door neighbour (we’re both in our 30’s) and spent a rather uncomfortable couple of hours both wondering if the other thought it was as bad as we each did!
Good CGI (as expected) but just a bit too twee for me.

As mentioned above the space horses and casino sequence wasn’t necessary,
Hammy acting (but not from Mark Hamill)
God-awful dialogue at times!
And a fairly thin plot.

I know I’ll go and see the next one, because, well, its Star Wars, but I had such high hopes after Rogue One…sigh