[Closed] The Last Jedi - Seen it, contains spoilers!

Is he in it?!?!?

Just seen it myself, absolutely loved it! So many funny moments, from the very first scene it really set the tone. I preferred it to Force Awakens in fact. One thing though- how are they going to deal with Princess Leia not dying? They had already said that they never planned for her to be in episode IX, so that was a but weird...

Is Luke bad?
Is Yoda in it?
Does Luke die?

Is he in it?!?!?

You know the skinny weird Admiral bloke? His assistant, on the bridge of Snoke's ship.

He spoke the first line of the film.

Never noticed Ade either! Or for that matter Mrs K spotted that the wee lads broom force-jumped into his hand at the end, which i missed.

Jaw drop of the film was that light speed jump, was like the first time I saw the Star destroyer hit the Emperors ship in RoTJ.

Really enjoyed it, not as good as Rogue One, but better than ep7.

Pet or protein? Defiantly protein!

the Leia injured/poorly bit could have been achieved a bit better with a bump on the head or something, rather than the ludicrous Mary Poppins sequence.

That and when Ray is boarding the Falcon after her lovers tiff with Kylo they can still see each other, so it wasn't Snoook.

Some crazy love triangles going on too...

I loved:
The cruiser crashing into the fleet with the lightspeed jump
The bit where Rey threw her sabre to Kylo at the end of the fight and he just turned it on to take out the imperial guard behind him
Some of the Luke funny moments, e.g. after the bombardment when he brushed dust of his shoulder.
The reveal of Rey's parents.

Leia question is interesting. Maybe she'll just retire to the quiet life.

The reveal of Rey's parents

so when he said they were pikey traveller folk or something, you reckon that was the truth or he was just winding her up?

and did Luke die cos he was knackered? (cos I thought that happened to Wizards after casting really hard spells)

Truth, because the message was that ordinary people can have hidden force powers (like the kid at the end) and you don't have to be a Skywalker.

I think Luke expended all his force energy after hanging out with the hot young woman and thinking about her for too long while alone...

Saw it this morning, OK in places but its not something I would rush back to see unlike Rogue One.
Some nice set pieces, surprisingly funny in places with some of the Frist order officers getting the best lines (preparing to land now) but the dialog was a little clunky, yeh, I know its SciFi but 'spunk'.
Will be interesting to see where part 9 takes us after this though, thought that Snoke, for all his supposed power, didn't really seem that powerful in the end.

Suitability for 8 and 10 year old kids? They enjoyed the last one on dvd, wondering whether to take them to the cinema for this one.

Suitability for 8 and 10 year old kids?

Saw it a BFI Imax this morning.

I can't say I loved it, but I did enjoy it a lot - especially the cruiser lightspeed scene.

It seemed to be taking itself a lot less seriously - lots of snide jokes and (almost) asides which I enjoyed.

Edit: Also, Snoke reminds me of Daniel Craig. Which was offputting.

Suitability for 8 and 10 year old kids?

And a 2.5 hour runtime + ads and trailers if you get them. All of our local midnight screenings were straight in though.

The reveal of Rey's parents.

I'm not sure they've been revealed yet

Luke's death- what did he see when he was staring into the sun at the end? I could have sworn I saw a ship there- I thought it was one despatched by Kylo Ren to 'wipe out the islands', as he had said that they will do that a couple of scenes earlier

what did he see when he was staring into the sun at the end?

2 suns. A flashback to his yoof, in one of the most memorable film scenes like, ever.

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2 suns. A flashback to his yoof, in one of the most memorable film scenes like, ever.

Ahhhh, nice spot!! 🙂

Is Luke bad?
Is Yoda in it?
Does Luke die?

Slightly
Yes
Yes

I definitely spotted what looked like a ship in one of the suns

Overall very good.

Only minor gripes:

the need for a slapstick style scene. The horse type things racing through space vegas. Lucas introduced them in the prequels and there was the daft one in TFA on board Han and chewies ship

Captain Phasma was underused as was Benicio Del Toro's character but I assume we'll see him again

Good stuff

Nice that they used a yoda that was more like the original trilogy than the cgi

Daisy Ridley and Adam driver were much improved

Nice twists and good that most of the trailers were complete misdirection

Visually a great looking film. Felt very much like a negative/positive version of ESB in terms of timing and revisiting certain similar plot points.

A very clunky first half - too slow, and some dreadful opening dialogue had me back to Phantom Menace with which it steers too close to on the Space Vegas set-piece.

All is saved by a fantastic second half though with an excellent light-sabre battle, full of visually stunning motifs. Loved the 'red' guards. (Kagemusha) It picks up proper momentum from here.

However at a deeper level for me the Star Wars themes are exhausted and whilst I enjoyed it - it was instantly forgettable.

Some great rug pullers though.

I disliked Rogue One and loved The Force Awakens, as it was a terrific homage.

I have a feeling the "better" films will be the wider universe ones like Rogue and Solo, where they don't have to stick so close to the SW recipe.

I have a feeling the "better" films will be the wider universe ones like Rogue and Solo, where they don't have to stick so close to the SW recipe.

Maybe, and I know what you mean about 'better' but there is rousing element to the original Star Wars that can only be remembered as 6,7,8 year old. That's the key to success and why I enjoyed TFA and not R1.

Nice twists and good that most of the trailers were complete misdirection

Agreed! The film was sooooo much better than the trailer...

Felt very much like a negative/positive version of ESB in terms of timing and revisiting certain similar plot points.

I thought this as well, the way it ends with the Resistance at an all time low, preparing the way for a huge comeback in episode IX

and some dreadful opening dialogue 

You mean the 'you're on hold, is that Admiral Hux?'stuff?!?! I thought that was absolutely amazing!!! So irreverent, definitely stuck a much needed finger in the eye of po-faced science fiction.

You mean the 'you're on hold, is that Admiral Hux?'stuff?!?! I thought that was absolutely amazing!!! So irreverent, definitely stuck a much needed finger in the eye of po-faced science fiction.

No, I mean the dialogue coming out of Hux's mouth right at the very start.

Funniest part for me was the steam iron 😆 😆

Some of it was good & some of it was pap.

Mr. Lucas lives about a mile from where I do, in San Anselmo, California. See him out on the streets all the time. Using his own money, he built a beautiful city park in the center of town. Locals call it "Yoda Park" b/c there is a statue in it of the little alien.

Sort of related and I’ll use any excuse. This should be Christmas number one every year.

Just out was awesome more to follow.

Ade was a great surprise, James Corden was about all he should have been.

Edit: Also, Snoke reminds me of Daniel Craig. Which was offputting.

Read that before I watched it earlier, and I see exactly what you mean.

Took the boy to the 5.15pm showing, there were only about 30 people in there

5pm for me and it was rammed.

Right fantastic action packed sci-f, some brillaint cinematic moments, brilliant humour and enough ‘member moments too. The Princess Leia floating bit was silly and no we didn’t need another death star.

The Iron part was great a nice tribiute to Boba Fett’s ship.

Oh and the Dreadnought leapong into the scene was briilliant a nice homage to Star Trek when they catch up with the Enterpirise in warp, Star Wars tribbles actually added some humour too.

Took the boy to the 5.15pm showing, there were only about 30 people in there

It was rammed in the early hours of this morning when I went to the midnight screening in Hackney lol

That warp shot was awesome but I thought the whole plot of the codebreaker leading up to that sequence was pretty unsatisfying. Felt a bit clunky but the casino as cantina was fun visually and I guess it set up the very last scene too.

The Luke / Rey / Yoda parts were the best and Luke's last stand with Kylo Ren was easily my favouite part of the movie. Tatooine tribute shot was so good.

But who the hell is/was Snoke anyway??

But who the hell is/was Snoke anyway??

Andy Serkis

Half the man he use to be.

The only spoiler here was my night's sleep. I picked up teen 2 from the cinema at 02:50 this morning with three friends. They weren't exactly gushing about it.

Kudos that he was up at 7:30 for school. Along with his friend, who happens to be the son of Teen2's form teacher. I had a lie in.

It does feel a bit like JJ Abrams came up with a load of stuff for TFA which felt star wars-y but wasn't that well thought out, and this film tosses a lot of it rather than following it through. Snoke a bit random - kill him off without finding out who he is. Skywalker theme music when Rey is discovering her powers - but she's not a Skywalker after all. I'm a bit conflicted just now.

Loved it from the start with the bomb dropping scene, to the Porgs popping up everywhere, to the humour (started well with the 'Still holding for...' scene near the start), the jump to light speed kamikaze run and...well, all of it, for me better than Rogue 1 & Force Awakens

but she's not a Skywalker after all. 

Or is she...

Skywalker theme music when Rey is discovering her powers - but she's not a Skywalker after all.

Still hasn't been revealed who she is.

Half the man he use to be.

Very good! 🙂

Also really enjoyed it......can’t ‘love it’ tho as Han Solo is no more!

Good points

It’s a lot of fun - if you’re taking an 8/9 yo to see this it will blow them away with the set pieces, quips etc.

Kylo Ren / Adam Driver - no doubting that Kylo Ren is bad ass, but he brings just the right amount of ‘petulant teen’ to the role to make it quite different for something such as Star Wars

Photography- some ace bits particularly with the guards in Snoke’s red room and on the mining planet with the red / white contrasts.

Style/tone - thinking about it, it did feel quite different for a massive Star Wars film. Much more tongue in cheek.

Bad points

Mary Poppins bit - why?!?

Rey and the underground mirror - plot device in terms of ensuring that audience would believe that she’d do anything to find out about her parents potentially is the only reason I could find for this. Quite a long scene which slowed the pace and doesn’t seem relevant to story and it’s already a long film

Disney ending - with the kid and the broom, I get the meaning and all that but was a little hammy. I also get that it’s Star Wars!!!

Can’t wait to take the kids to see it tho now Dad has “cleared it”. Ahem!

I actually like the idea that she is not a Skywalker, that she came from nothing and rose as a counterpoint to Kylo Ren, as explained by Snoke. All that ties into the force balance she discusses with Luke earlier on. It just annoys me in retrospect that it seemed so heavily telegraphed in TFA that she was one of the clan. Almost like JJ Abrams put the music there because it sounded good, with no regard for what it communicated.

Also if she isn't a Skywalker then the whole I-IX sequence surely then centres on Vader rather than the Skywalker clan as a whole, which would be cool. And it makes her bond with Kylo more interesting. I concur that a final revelation that she IS a Skywalker after all could make for some good drama, I just don't think TFA and TLJ together demonstrate that they know what the overall arc of this trilogy was going to be.

Still hasn't been revealed who she is.

I think that was pretty well resolved, she's a nobody.

Good things;

Eddie Hitler has made good.

The humour, like it, messing around with scifi that's normally a bit Po faced (see what I did there)

The light jump through the fleet

Luke and Yoda

Like the relationship between Ray and Ben

Bad points.

The opening bombing run, just felt a bit lame to me (too much 40's film influence)

the Casino side story was bit a bit weak.

Snoke? who? what? why? when?

I was really disappointed by it, i loved Rogue One being a stand along Star Wars war film and didn't mind Force Awakens as despite the fact it was a remake of New Hope it got the tone right.

Last Jedi was all over the shop, it really didn't know what it wanted to be, one minute Inbetweeners level humour (Hold please...) next minute 60's arthouse (Ray in the many images in the mirror).

There were some good bits in there and the action sequences were often good, but the Leia floating back on to the bridge from space, whoever thought was a good idea, just cringe worthy?

Plus there seemed to be gaping holes in the plot:

- Absolutely no backstory or explanation of Snook who then gets killed.
- How Ray managed to become a trained Jedi with just two press-ups and a meditation session? And the one thing Luke did try to teach her about the Force she ignores and decides to go down the random big hole anyway?
- Was the Del Toro character actually the code-breaker or that James Bond style smoothie who was actually wearing the flower on lapel?

So i really liked some sequences but overall, i don't think we needed Star Wars the Comedy as whilst it is good to have humour, so bits seemed childish.

Plus Kylo Ren has more changes of heart and mood than my wife dress shopping.

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I was really disappointed by it, i loved Rogue One being a stand along Star Wars war film and didn't mind Force Awakens as despite the fact it was a remake of New Hope it got the tone right.

Last Jedi was all over the shop, it really didn't know what it wanted to be, one minute Inbetweeners level humour (Hold please...) next minute 60's arthouse (Ray in the many images in the mirror).

There were some good bits in there and the action sequences were often good, but the Leia floating back on to the bridge from space, whoever thought was a good idea, just cringe worthy?

Plus there seemed to be gaping holes in the plot:

- Absolutely no backstory or explanation of Snook who then gets killed.
- How Ray managed to become a trained Jedi with just two press-ups and a meditation session? And the one thing Luke did try to teach her about the Force she ignores and decides to go down the random big hole anyway?
- Was the Del Toro character actually the code-breaker or that James Bond style smoothie who was actually wearing the flower on lapel?

So i really liked some sequences but overall, i don't think we needed Star Wars the Comedy as whilst it is good to have humour, so bits seemed childish.

Plus Kylo Ren has more changes of heart and mood than my wife dress shopping.

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Good things;

Eddie Hitler has made good.

The humour, like it, messing around with scifi that's normally a bit Po faced (see what I did there)

The light jump through the fleet [b]although why did it take so long for her to do it, given she was on a suicide mission anyway[/b]

Luke and Yoda

[s]Like the relationship between Ray and Ben
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Bad points.

The opening bombing run, just felt a bit lame to me (too much 40's film influence)

[b]The 'mind chats' got a bit dull[/b]

the Casino side story was bit a bit weak.

Snoke? who? what? why? when?

I was, in summary, a bit bored. I think it suffered from a bit too much self-seriousness; I get you need some depth to characters and plot, but, come on, it's basically a film about spaceships and lasers.

Tone certainly an issue. One part phantom menace, one part ESB and one part TFA. Needed to balance these elements much better.

Second half was on fire though.

Interesting that the critics seem to be about of sync with general public reviews.

I still think it will be a big initial hit with a drop off.

One part phantom menace, one part ESB and one part TFA

With a rehash of the Emperor/Luke/Vader scene from ROTJ thrown in for good measure.

I will light a flaming fire with this, but I'd rank it as, at best, my fifth favourite Star Wars film.

This should be Christmas number one every year.

I got hit in the neck with a hacky sack. Where'd it come from?

Oh, oh, and, too much Ja-Ja-Guinea-Pig.

Unexpected, and unnecessary, nudity.

I liked the jar jar guinea pigs (I lol'd, nice one)

the thing I disliked about it, was the fact that loads of scenes was some-one elses movie, The casino-rip off of Temple of Doom, the bombing run was every WW2 bomber film, even the chase of the Cruiser was every submarine war film, plus the new AT-ATs and big gun was more or less a shot for shot of the Battle for Helms Deep/Gondor.

A movie trope itself made from cut up movie tropes, seems legit...

Interesting that the critics seem to be about of sync with general public reviews.

i noticed this, i read a number of non-spoiler reviews, Guardian, Independent, Observer over lunchtime on Wednesday and so many were gushing about it, strangely the only one that didn't rate the film was Den of Geek.

I liked the jar jar guinea pigs

I didn't dislike them, there was just too much of them. Staring at Chewy while he was eating, funny. Camping out in the Falcon, too much.

And why was the bombing run so slow? They're in spaceships, ferchristsake, not Lancasters. Not to mention that the really slow bombers appeared out of nowhere, really slowly, without the baddy ship noticing

I was surprised that Poe and Rey hadn't met until the end of TLJ.

It obviously didn't happen on screen in TFA but it just seemed a bit odd that they hadn't met before Rey jumped in the falcon and headed to Ahch-to

Oooops! Misread.

It was....ok. But just ok. I agree with much of the stuff above; pacing was odd, humour seemed a bit forced, shoehorned in cute animals.

On the upside: some excellent visuals, loved Luke's astral projection scene.

Saw it at 7am this morning at my local IMAX.

Visually phenomenal, but as above, I thought the humour was forced, the dialogue clunky, large parts of the plot were pointless, and I got a bit bored of all the twists/turns. Enjoyable enough that I don't regret being up at 5:30 this morning for it, but it wasn't exactly satisfying :/

Quite interested to see what Kermode makes of it.

Quite interested to see what Kermode makes of it.

As a fellow Wittertainee, if i had just seen the film, i would of expected him to pick up on the fact it isn't very coherent and the strange humour, but as above the reviews by the broadsheet newspapers was all really good, so not so sure now. I expect he will pick up on the visual cues from other films.

I am looking forward to listening to Wittertainment podcast but also to the Empire Magazine one, they tend to be quite geeky and often do a "Spoiler Special" podcast sometime after the film where they really pick it apart and discuss the film with the director with spoilers.

Plus there seemed to be gaping holes in the plot:

I can't believe that we got halfway through page 2 of the thread before someone said plot holes 🙄

so bits seemed childish.

er....kids film..?

Rey and the underground mirror - plot device in terms of ensuring that audience would believe that she’d do anything to find out about her parents potentially is the only reason I could find for this. Quite a long scene which slowed the pace and doesn’t seem relevant to story and it’s already a long film

I think this is a reference to the fact that she repeatedly says that she's 'nobody', so when she asks who her parents are the answer is 'nobody' (hence her own image).
Also the hole is a direct reference to the tree scene in ESB.

I like it more now than I did at the time, now I've had chance to think about it.
I also think that the great big gun (Death Star tech apparently) was either knackered, set to tickle mode or not really DS tech because I was expecting it to instantly dissolve the armoured door. Instead it gradually made it hot.

Instead it gradually made it hot.

And Finn could fly straight up the beam in an open topped fighter thingy (that Hero Plumber Lady could seemingly fly without any training) without getting encoalified.

James Corden was about all he should have been.

Hang on, what?

Hang on, what?

Instead it gradually made it hot.
And Finn could fly straight up the beam in an open topped fighter thingy (that Hero Plumber Lady could seemingly fly without any training) without getting encoalified.

this was unforgivable!

Although quickly forgotten with Hux's 'do you think you got him?' line to Kylo Ren.

I'm going to see it again in about an hour, will see if it improves.

I can't believe that we got halfway through page 2 of the thread before someone said plot holes

I know, i know, there are loads of films where plot holes or complete lack of any character do not really matter, but for some reason with this is seemed to really add to the "klunkiness" and seemed to detract from the film quite a bit,

I thought the set pieces were incredible. The light speed take down of the Dreadnought bought gasps and utterences of wow from people in the cinema.

What didn't sit well with me was the humour. This is Star wars, not guardians of the galaxy. The streetwise fast talking nature of some of the characters was far removed from their previous personalities. And the weird animals, wtf was that thing Luke was milking? (Parents bank accounts??)

That said I'm looking forward to seeing it again. I love general hugs, essentially Micheal gove on space.

It was OK, first 2/3rds felt slow but got better.
Only real criticism was 2 words - which to me wouldn't be used - spunk and bustard - appreciate it is a story about people not living in western Earth but suspect they wouldn't use either of those.
Given all the other bits, seems weird I've zoned in to those 2 words.
I'd watch it again but not at the cinema.

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Only real criticism was 2 words - which to me wouldn't be used - spunk and bustard - appreciate it is a story about people not living in western Earth but suspect they wouldn't use either of those.

See also

"laser" and "page turner"

Definitely felt a bit out of place

The light speed take down of the Dreadnought bought gasps and utterences of wow from people in the cinema.

Really? 😐

What didn't sit well with me was the humour. This is Star wars, not guardians of the galaxy

That it had humour or that you didn't like the humour?

Humour was what the originals had with Han Solo getting most of the best lines; its Star Wars, it was never that serious and, whilst i love Star Wars, i cant take any of it seriously...humour was sadly lacking in I to III.

Was it a Dreadnought? I don't think it was, completely different shape...

Big spaceship wot got bombed at the start; Dreadnought

Big spaceship wot got lightspeed-kamikazeed at the end; something else.