Anyone else watched it?

I thought it was good, and revealed quite a few details that I did not know previously. I had always been dubious of the parents involvement, and thought it was all a bit “fishy”, but having watched the series I now don’t think they had anything at all to do with it.

The other thing that came to light that I hadn’t previously thought of was just how damaging the whole case was to the arguidos (official suspects) and how the Portuguese press labelled them as peodos and child snatchers without a shred of evidence. Robert Murat in particular was treated very badly and was unable to find work as a result of the false accusations made against him.

(Possible Spoilers)

She’s not missing? They found her?

She’s not missing? They found her?

Shhhh, i dont want to say in case i spoil it.

Do you work for the Mirror or Express?

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Shhhh, i dont want to say in case i spoil it.

Good man, I’ll never forgive my dad for revealing the pivotal bit of ‘Titanic’ before I went to see it.

but having watched the series I now don’t think they had anything at all to do with it.

Mmmmm, I think it goes a lot deeper than just the parents involvement, senior political figures leaving posts to work for the McCanns for 1, only her finger prints and DNA in the bedroom, open windows closed by her hand, it didn’t change my mind about their involvement but did raise questions regarding the police investigation. Is it usual to allow suspects to leave the country for example?

open windows closed by her hand

They did spend a whole week there, surely she could of closed the window at another time?

Is it usual to allow suspects to leave the country for example?

I’m no expert but my understanding is that in Portugal official suspect status just means you are a person of interest, no charges had been made against them at the time.

The main reason I don’t think they did anything is the timeline, and the seven other people they were dining with that would all have to lie to corroborate their story if they had. Think about that for a second….. “guys, we`ve accidentally killed Maddie, I’m going to dispose of the body, would you all be able to tell the police that we were with you having dinner all night please?” It just wouldn’t happen

seven other people they were dining with that would all have to lie to corroborate their story

And continue to do so ever since. Wouldn’t happen.

But where would they be lieing? The 7 others did not visit the apartment so did not see or assist with the disposal of the body so have nothing to hide.

Because one or both McCanns would have been away from the meal for much longer than if they were just nipping back to check on the kids.

Because one or both McCanns would have been away from the meal for much longer than if they were just nipping back to check on the kids.

Exactly. The opertunity was just not there according to the timeline. And that for me is what was so good about the documentary. Its the first time I have seen a clear demonstration of events and the timeline with locations. It puts the whole thing into perspective.

Add onto that the police incompetence, the treatment in the press of the suspects and the Mccanns and the other cases that came to light in southern Portugal (20 odd of them) and it was very interesting.

Only halfway through, but the dogs freaked me out somewhat…. Do they give a reason for the dogs taking such an interest in the locations /items?

Mmmmm, I think it goes a lot deeper than just the parents involvement, senior political figures leaving posts to work for the McCanns for 1..

Which senior political figures left their posts to work for the NcCanns ?

I’m with Alpin, finished episode 4 last night and the dog thing freaked me out and sadly confirmed to me she died that night.

Anyone else watched it?

I meant to watch it but went out for dinner with friends instead.

I used to think the parents had done it but no believe that if they had they would have shut up by now ad faded into obscurity

Interesting – not seen it nor had any plans too, but the Grauniad (Lucy Mangan) painted it as a hatchet job on the parents, pointless with no new evidence etc.

Wondering if she watched the same thing as this is the 2nd or 3rd source I’ve seen saying it was balanced and added something to the case.

Wondering if she watched the same thing as this is the 2nd or 3rd source I’ve seen saying it was balanced and added something to the case.

Im not sure it adds any evidence that wasn’t previously known, but what it does a very good job of is bringing the whole timeline together in one place. It really gave me a different perspective to the long drawn out one that played out in real time and punctuated by all the tabloid lies and sensationalism.

I’m up to the episode about the orphanage scammers. The bit about that lady finding one of them in the house near the three year old scared the crap out of me! Was that reported in the press before? I don’t remember seeing it and can’t find anything about it now, only that scammers were knocking on doors.

I reckon any incriminating DNA evidence against the McCanns found in their Renault Mégane was planted by a corrupt local system (of which the cop Amaral was a pivotal figure) hell-bent on protecting a local economy 100% reliant on tourism, and which employs nephews, nieces, cousins, best friend’s sons, etc of powerful local figures.

Does the documentary mention the Gaspar Statement?

Fact 1 here:

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2015/06/20-facts-about-disappearance-of.html

As for the cadaver dogs, those very same dogs were used in the Haut De La Garenne home in Jersey:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

Make of it what you will…

Just finished watching it. The friend that just stood at the door and didn’t go in to check on them – *facepalm*
The last episode left me feeling quite depressed about the volume of child porn, kids as sex slaves – so incredibly sad.
JHJ – your first link has disappeared, what did it say?

JHJ – your first link has disappeared, what did it say?

Probably something about some prominent person who was once I the same room as a chief of police and a convicted paedophile. Thereby providing beyond any doubt a high level conspiracy.

As for the cadaver dogs, those very same dogs were used in the Haut De La Garenne home in jersey.

Make of it what you will…

Well, keeping in mind I’m not a nutcase that sees conspiracy everywhere….

All I can take from that, is that the dogs are maybe well known to be the best at what they do, so they get used in a variety of cases ?

Please do tell me if I’m missing something on obvious though.

And what evidence did these “best in the world” dogs find in the McCann case that was in any way conclusive?

there were what appeared to be amazing holes in the investigation. The what appeared to be really important bit about the bloke carrying the girl around the time of the disappearance, but which turned out years later to be someone getting their girl from the babysitting service… the friend who hadnt flagged that up for an episode or two must have felt terrible, but really the police appeared to be hell bent on ensuring that the area in Portugal didn’t have an issue with abducting and therefore had to point the finger at the McCanns.

The difficulty with programmes like this is that the filmmakers can put their slant on it and lead the viewer into believing the filmmakers version of the events.
I remember watching the series of Making a Murderer, then doing a bit of background research. I’m not saying that Avery was guilty or not, but it did appear the filmmaker had an agenda I’d suggest it was about making the story more interesting by making the police look both corrupt and inept.
I got the same impression when watching the McCann documentary. I’m also not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m also in the camp that foreign police are as professional as UK police. I don’t believe that the Portuguese Police where trying to blame the McCann’s just to protect their tourism industry. But I can imagine as a Policeman the actions of the McCann’s might have seemed strange and might have made them strong suspects.

After Trumps visit aren’t the MET due for a holiday somewhere warm and within an hour or flight time from the UK?

I hear some like golf too..

There must be somewhere close like that eh?

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#throwmoremoneyatapointlessinvestigation

#weneedaholidayletsgotoportugalehlads

I watched it. It was fascinating. For all the wrong reasons unfortunately.

Only halfway through, but the dogs freaked me out somewhat…. Do they give a reason for the dogs taking such an interest in the locations /items

The whole dog thing was completely discredited in the end but unfortunately the Portuguese police had built their entire case around it. They probably found the scent of some Chorizo sausage that was dropped on the floor previously or something. And the whole hire car thing was BS as they didn’t even have the hire car at the time of Madelines disappearance, they got that afterwards so the fact the dogs found madeleines ‘death’ scent in that car is proof the dog thing was nonsense.

I’m none the wiser, but I’m not convinced she died that night. Not in the apartment at least. Where is the body?…bodies are hard to make disappear without leaving any traces. Its the case the McCann’s certainly couldn’t have disposed of the bodies so well. They didn’t have any time on the night and after with all the aftermath and the 27/7 focus of the press and authorities they couldn’t even pass wind without others knowing, so no chance of hiding a body so well remains still haven’t been found so many years on. If she’s dead she was taken far far away.

The thing that freaked me out the most was all the reports of dodgy behaviour in the area before and during the McCann’s visit. Dodgy characters apparently taking an interest in kids of similar appearance to Madeline – multiple reports by independent people. Especially the one where the mother came downstairs to find her child playing and a man stood in the next room watching the kid and scarpered as soon as the mother came down the stairs. The inference was there was definitely some dodgy folk operating in the area.

Seems to me by far the most plausible thing that she was targeted by some gang, kidnapped to order and unfortunately the parents unknowingly handed them the opportunity to snatch her, rather than some fantastical and extremely elaborate and complicated plan by the parents to kill their own kid and dispose of the body in a way it couldn’t be found….and for what motive?

JHJ – your first link has disappeared, what did it say?

Link is now http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/search/label/21%20Facts%20about%20the%20disappearance%20of%20Madeleine%20McCann.

As a parent I can only imagine the agony that her parents have now been suffering for the last however—many years.

That child snatchers operate in holiday areas doesn’t seem to be in dispute – this was only a few years ago:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/448856/Child-snatchers-dressed-WAITERS-caught-trying-kidnap-British-kids-in-Cyprus

….and for what motive?

People are **** and do crazy things in moments of anger. There’s no motive for stupidity.

Not that the parents did it, but some international kidnap gang doesn’t seem to be a good example of Occam’s Razor.

doesn’t seem to be a good example of Occam’s Razor.

Occam’s Razor is pretty misunderstood, what you probably mean is the principle of parsimony which is that given two competing ideas the simple one is more likely to be correct.

Both are heuristics, shortcuts in reasoning to help us get a quick answer. Unfortunately, although heuristics are quick and might work in some situations they don’t always lead to the correct answer. Sometimes a complex explanation is the correct or more accurate one.

People are **** and do crazy things in moments of anger. There’s no motive for stupidity.

If the parents were complicit in her disappearance, why would they so relentlessly try to keep the case in the public eye and apply pressure on the police to chase up any minute lead?

Surely they wouldn’t publicly accept she’s gone so it all goes away.

Where is the body?…bodies are hard to make disappear without leaving any traces.

Very easy IMHO. She wandered out of the flat, fell in a hole in one of the many building sites in the area and got covered up in the morning by a digger or cement mixer. (Or similar.) There are *far* more diggers and JCBs than kidnappers.

There is literally no evidence she was abducted or murdered.

I have a 3yo. We lock the doors at night. We don’t do it because we fear a bunch of international child kidnappers. We do it because he’d be highly likely to wander off and walk into a busy road while we were asleep.

the parents were complicit in her disappearance, why would they so relentlessly try to keep the case in the public eye and apply pressure on the police to chase up any minute lead?

Because people that know how to lie, know that those that are telling the truth go on the offensive. Admitting nothing, denying everything and making counter accusations is a fairly well known PR technique.

Again though, I’m not saying the parents are like that. But there are devious bastards out there who understand how people work and will use that against you.

Outofbreath is probably right.

Very easy IMHO. She wandered out of the flat, fell in a hole in one of the many building sites in the area and got covered up in the morning by a digger or cement mixer. (Or similar.) There are *far* more diggers and JCBs than kidnapper

Qv Ben Needham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Ben_Needham

Another documentary about Madeleine on youtube. Still a lot of questions to be answered. Particularly about the McCanns political connections and campaign funding.

Very easy IMHO. She wandered out of the flat, fell in a hole in one of the many building sites in the area and got covered up in the morning by a digger or cement mixer. (Or similar.) There are *far* more diggers and JCBs than kidnappers.

There is literally no evidence she was abducted or murdered.

I have a 3yo….

Our oldest daughter was about that age at that time. She was able to unlock every door and window in the house, so we had to move keys so that she couldn’t get out. I’ve always thought your explanation is more likely than abduction.

Our oldest daughter was about that age at that time. She was able to unlock every door and window in the house, so we had to move keys so that she couldn’t get out. I’ve always thought your explanation is more likely than abduction.

Were there any building sites within say 200m of the apartment that night? I don’t recall that being mentioned on the documentary

Another documentary about Madeleine on youtube. Still a lot of questions to be answered. Particularly about the McCanns political connections and campaign funding.

I watched all those some time ago and frankly it stinks.