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Thanks T.J for clarifing and not talking down to me like I’m durrr stoopid.

Yeah, some lucky purchases couldnt comprehend (or hold onto) this apperent windfall- the cycle puts them back into their poverty with bad purchases, bad saving and naivity in listening to bad ideas/advice from con-men. Like taking candy from a child…

Then again, how many more had a chance of ownership, pride, a foothold, investment, ideas etc? Newspapers etc dont like to hunt down the success stories do they? By their design, they need gloom to sell. I wonder, in many years time- how will the world view Margaret Thatcher and her policies?

I say to the knockers (mmmmmmmmm knockers)- do you think the deep depression/oil crisis and union deadholds of the 70’s- if no one challenged these where would we be now?

Worse position perhaps? Would another leader have given in to the Argentinains? Yes- We DO need that oil for the future for many reasons.

Yeah, some lucky purchases couldnt comprehend (or hold onto) this apperent windfall- the cycle puts them back into their poverty with bad purchases, bad saving and naivity in listening to bad ideas/advice from con-men. Like taking candy from a child…

Yeah, but what about all the lower income families that came after Hora? Admit it, short term vote winners are not really sound policy, are they?

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If you can remember before Thatcher, back to the 3 day week, lightening strikes, flying pickets, power cuts, etc, it was a truly awful. However, the upside was reasonable high employment and a relatively strong social fabric.

Thatcher solved one and destroyed the other – bit broad brush but close enough.

IMO she is living proof that 2 terms is all a leader should be allowed to serve – too much power for too long. Blair was no different.

hmmmmmmm knockers

Hmmm, they’re ok, but a bit unsubstantial wouldn’t you say.

Just like Thatcher’s deliberately short-sighted ideology regarding housing provision funnily enough… 😆

I can’t comment on Thatcher’s own chest. Was it nice?

rogerthecat- like the next government- there is going to be alot of painful adjustment due to the national debt we’ve run up. Tax rises, service cuts- you name it. In 10yrs time the next government will be blamed for alot of pain..

How long does it take to build council houses? Less than 12 years by any chance?

How long does it take to build council houses? Less than 12 years by any chance?

Trick question.

Thatcherites don’t build social housing.

Dont care who she is or what she’s done, I would never wish anyone dead.

I would never wish anyone dead.

Oh yeah, tell that to the European Jews in 1936.

Thatcherites don’t build social housing.

Surely some mistake?

Would unions support a Thatcherite government?

Dr Dolittle – I’ll just get this time machine sorted out then I’ll go back and tell them. WTF?

Would another leader have given in to the Argentinains? Yes- We DO need that oil for the future for many reasons.

What about the rest of the **** World? Christ, Hora; can you not see past your own nose? 800+ people died for that. So that Thatcher could show how ‘tough’ she was, and win another election. FFS…

I make no claims to being clued up about Economics, but **** me, Hora; you really do seem clueless at times. Some of you recent posts beggar belief.

And to compound it, Phil Collins has just come on the radio. ‘Su-Su-Sudio’? WTF are you on about, Phil?

Are Hora and Phil Collins related?

Would unions support a Thatcherite government?

**** right they did mate. You tell me, eh?

Where’s the Thatcherite social housing projects to replace all the lost stock, sold off at a pittance to gain a few votes though? Good for those in a position to buy at the time ( at the tax payers expense), but what about everybody that came afterwards? eh? Hardly the actions of someone with the best interests of the whole nation in mind wouldn’t you say?

Well it appears the unions have supported the Thatcherite government that has been in power for the last 12 years, the one that has done sweet FA to seriously improve social housing.

Labour, party of the people. My ar*e.

Labour, party of the people. My ar*e.

Agree 100%,they’re nothing but Thatcherite muck. I’ve been saying it for years, and it seems that the general population is slowly catching up.

But back to the social housing issue. Thatcher’s govt sold it off for a pittance in a one-off vote winning policy didn’t they? And that action has had rather unfortunate repercussions for Hora’s lower income families ever since, hasn’t it? And the Thatcherite Govts since haven’t replaced that provision, have they?

You have to admit, it was a pretty shortsighted and stupid policy.

But Labour supporters are as guilty of the mess we’re currently in for supporting a rose-tinted version of the party they all hate.

Perhaps if the ‘proper’ Labour party members and MPs had made a bit more noise about the shower of sh*te that was/is New Labour and not accepted Tony Blair and his Thatcher-loving mates so readily in a desperate attempt to get some chimps in red ties into Downing Street, no matter what the cost, we might still have a socialist alternative choice and they may actually have been voted into power and have made a real difference.

Instead, the usual idiots who will vote for anything with a red rosette on no matter what the policies, voted in another Conservative party. Although a less honest version, who prefer to wear the costume of a party that once actually gave a flying fu*k about the masses rather than their political donation giving big business mates.

Are Hora and Phil Collins related?

I still remember walking past Old Trafford (had to climb out of a cab home as we coincided with the end of a Genesis concert)- I was shouting & giggling ‘oi here is Phil Collins missus’ (pointing to my GF)- boy, she was happy 😆

Agree with all that S&J, although I doubt the Tories are inherently any more honest that the NuLab crew. I don’t see anything to suggest that.

The question still stands though. My opinion is that selling off social housing was not in the best long term interest of the country and was a selfish one off event that was to the detrement of the country, simply to get votes for the next election. Do you agree?

is she dead yet?

Hora – there were companies going round encouraging people to buy their council houses and guaranteeing to buy the house of the purchaser for a profit. These house were then rented out to benefit claimants at the maximum possible housing benefit rate. Thus people who would have been in council houses at a cheap rent paid by the council end up in the same house at a much greater rent that is paid by the council after the council have been forced to sell the house for less than its worth.

Much of Edinburghs less popular housing stock is now owned and rented like this

Not yet, headfirst. But come on; we want a build-up to the great event, surely? Weeks/months of pain and suffering, allowing betting shops to make a fortune from offering odds on the exact date of her passing. Come on; she’d love that, surely? Entrepreneurial spirit, and all that?

PS: I actually don’t care if any Thatcherites think me a C for wishing pain and suffering on her. Go and argue that with the families of Argentinian sailors killed on the Belgrano, or with ex-miners…

Who is this Thatcher you all talk about, an evil twisted bitch,who hated men, abused her power,stole money off the poor,and gave it to her rich freinds,destroyed the working classes, and the unions,etc,etc.

Enough of the ex wife.

Now who was Thatcher.

Rudeboy – the suffering has been going on for a while – she has multi infarct dementia – a nasty nasty disease. that she is dying slowly of.

TJ; The flat I rent is ex-council. My rent is 2.5 times what the council rent is. My neighbours who are council tenants are shocked at what I pay.

Oh look, an evil fascist dictator! And General Augusto Pinochet…

Dr Dolittle – Member

How is your sister bye the way?

She’s fine. Ten years of counselling and she reckons she’s forgiven you.

Did your Ma get my card? I left it in her box, but neglected to lick her stamp properly.

She’s fine thanks – you gotta spade?

as a fairly dispassionate observer of the Rudeboy vs Hora spat I’d just like to say that Mr Rudeboy comes over as a slighty hysterical SWP magazine waver which tends to colour the appreciation of his sub tabloid type argument. Just an observation of course….

As regards Thatcher – isn’t it time that all y’all (as we say here in Texas) got over her – it was some time ago……

“destroyed the working classes, and the unions”

The Unions feel like they are the present when really, they are part of the historical makeup of moving on our social makeup.

She’s fine thanks – you gotta spade?

Not again…

😆 You eevall!

You still up this way at the end of the month?

Seriously, back off. I’ve got her back. Anyone as a young boy, watching the Falklands Conflict on TV, nay following the conflict and then later understanding her quandry why she had to- and sadly the Belgrano. Come on. read abit more into history and not wikipedia.

The Unions feel like they are the present when really, they are part of the historical makeup of moving on our social makeup.

Hey, you’ve won. Reading that I feel stupid, as stupid as the village idiot…

I can agree with the Falklands campaign, we were all behind Maggie – but how could you have ever supported Iraq or Afghanistan? WTF was that all about? Heroes led by donkeys….

At this point let me say this……Lindemans Vintage 2007 is sheeeeiiit!

Dinner guests just left with 3month old- they have a late night feed (11 apperently)- sooo Rum/Jagermeiser and…

Pinochet’s mate – agree with the tag. Thats hard to swallow. Agree.

Aye TS, getting some accom sorted (well my secretary is). I’ll give you a shout during the week to arrange something.

Cool! Be good to hear a ‘homeland’ voice rather than taffies or limeys’

Tankslapper – speak for yourself. I was certainly not behind Maccie on the flaklands as a pacifist and internationalist.