Tech refers to the new lever i think, mini to the old one.

V2 is the big huge vented one for the alps

x2 is the new mono

m4 is the new m4

I think

Hope do:

X2
V2
M4

all have the newer Tech lever (what I have) some people have had issues with fitting to XTR and SRAM shifters without matchmakers). I think the X2 is more XC then stopping power upwards to V2 and then M4 (increase in weight is not much really) although the V2 is quoted as more powerful and has teh vented discs.

with various different types of disc and disc mount.

I guess you need std 6 bolt - so choose floating or non-floating - I would think on a SS poss go non-floating. The choose size maybe 180 front and 160 back or 2x180.

I would think therefore for your setup (given no probs with sram or XTR shifters or older shimano pods you cant remove the windows on) (braided hose just a bit of bling with this setup IMHO)

X2, 180/160, non-braided hose and non-floating rotors unless you want more bling!

Ok so I looked on CRC just now and they are all post mount and you need to buy the rotors and mounts sereartly.. So the price jumps up loads.. What a git. So the next question is where from?

I got mine as a full kit from wiggle with plat discount - similar price most major places!

got to wiggle - they sell as whole ki inc mounts:
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http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Hope_Tech_X2_Disc_Brake/5360040248/ [/url]

Explain them? They ain't as good the other options available. HTH.

Ok tell me what else. I have Juicy 5's that I hate. Started out bad and have just been a constant fettling niggtmare ever since. Way sto much time spent bleeding them just to swap pads etc.

Way sto much time spent bleeding them just to swap pads etc.

Hope brakes are great. Frequently badmouthed by people who don't know enough about them to get the best from them. Parts are easily sourced and they are easy to service. Goodridge Sintered pads for my sort of riding.

They go X2, M4 then V2 in terms of power. X2 pro is the new caliper with the mini lever.

Merlin have the lighter options at good prices.

I always appreciated the fact that they're easy to service, given how often they used to go wrong. I've swapped them for brakes that actually work properly.

Maybe if you sorted them properly instead of constant hamfisted meddling, they would be fine?

I got a nice set of Mini's off here from a user who said they were the worse brakes ever invented. I sorted out his mistakes and they are still going nicely on my hardtail.

I've run Hope brakes since my first discs in '98. I've tried all the others, and always go back to Hope as a preference. If you fit them properly they don't squeal, leak, judder, or explode like many people seem to believe.

I love how if you don't like them it's your fault for 'constant hamfisted meddling' instead of they were just crap.

I'm pleased for you.

Thanks.

Maybe if you sorted them properly instead of constant hamfisted meddling, they would be fine?

Maybe if you didn't mouth off without being in possession of facts, you'd be right more often?

I'm sure that the reason I don't have these problems with other brands of brake is pure coincidence.

After 2 years of problems (which my LBS tried and failed to resolve), I returned them to the factory, who were kind enough to completely re-build them. They broke again within 3 months. Still, I'm sure you know better than the Hope factory and my LBS.

shimano?

half the price

easy to bleed

Only downside is they are fit'n'forget, so if a seal blows up it's time for a new calliper or lever.

I have had hopes as upgrades from other OEMS - I also have never had any problems with them - My really old minis are a bit low on power at the mo but the pads on teh front are pretty old and prob need some TLC. Also having used others inc avids I still prefer hopes - I think a lot of it personal pref. but sometimes in all models you get lemons. luck of the draw!

My mono M4s have been faultless for years. Good old british engineering at its best. When the time comes to replace them or just get new ones I'll probably go with hope again. Although my brother swears by shimano's disc brakes these days.

make sure you choose a colour you like as:
They are unbreakable are fit and forget and dead easy to service (I am being anal therefore I bleed them at each pad change).

I have a set of old mini style on switch since probably 2004 and they still go strong.

I still have a set of the original XC4... They might need a rebuild now after so many year but I still cant fault them.

How people manage to break some stuff is just beyond me. I only manage to use pedal pads tyres and QR seat post to death...

Another happy hope user here. Mine get an annual service - change of pads weather they need them or not 😉 , a lube of the pistons with red rubber grease and a bleed thru with fresh fluid. apart from that I have done nothing to them for several years.

IS mount minis on the solo, is mount M4 / M6 on the tandem.

One of the love / hate issues with them is they tend to have a soft lever feel - gives greater modulation at the expense of initial bite ( but same ultimate power) Some folk love this some hate it. I find other makes really dead - like pinching a brick

All the trouble with disc brakes in our riding group has been with the Avid users, never the Hopes!

Sick of Avids here too so going over to Hope M4's on my bikes as well. No problems with the M4's on first bike, deeply happy with the fit-and-forget nature (compared to Avid's!). No idea frankly why I stopped using Hope.

OMG !, you bleed your brakes whenever you change pads ?, is that right.

Its not a critisism, don't get me wrong, but I'd be rocking in the corner if I had to bleed my brakes each time I changed the pads.

And just to be clear, I'm not knocking Hope brakes, I've not used/owned them so aint in a position to comment.

All my brakes have been Shimano and they stop me well enough, although they do squeal in the wet (sintered pads).

Actually, seeing as we're here, what is the cure for that, does one just apply some copper slip on the back of the pad, as one does with car brake pads to stop them squealing.

Solo.

Hope brakes only take a few moments to bleed - really very simple

The only problem I've ever really had with hopes were squeel (never been able to sort it, despite being able to sort it on other brakes) and boiling a mini rear (but I was attempting a full-on downhill run in the Alps with a 155 rotor so can't complain there).

Seen many types, ridden a few, same problems existed on them all. Only difference being that hope are simple design, easy to fix/maintain and their customer service is second to none. Bleeding them takes 5 minutes and keeps them running sweet as a nut, the pads last forever and they bite like no others I've tried.

Well, thats a pretty good endorsement for Hope there.

🙂

Solo.

I'v used Hope's for a while now XC4's to start with,Mini's, currently got Mono mini's on 1 bike & mono mini Pro's on the other (changed from Avid Ultimate's )far better & Hope aftersale's is Excellent Hope all the way for Me 😀

I'd suggest the X2 Pro as the new Tech lever is ridiculously overkill for xc. You need wide bars as the brake lever needs to be about 2 inches inwards of the grip for proper 1 finger braking. The old lever is much better for xc.

I love hope brakes, but my 2 week old M4 blew a piston seal today ... grrrrrr!

sorry for the noob question but whats the difference between normal rotors and floating rotors?

floating rotor 'float'. They are better for heat dissipation.

I thought that floating rotors were to allow optimal rotor to caliper alignment. As on motor cycles.

I thought that venting helped dissipate heat. and cross drilling combat glazing.

Solo.

solo - it's more to do with stopping the disc rubbing when it bows as it gets hot - essentially it allows the disc to move from left to right between the pads without rubbing badly a pad. it will probably rub very lightly as you ride along as the disc can move so will tend to jingle against the pads.

I have a Floating rotor here - there is no perceptible movement in the buttons. It does not have any side to side or self centring movement so no difference to alignment - there is no alignment issue on motorcycles anyway.

It does two things - allows the use of an alloy centre so saves a bit of weight and reduces warping as if the outer gets hot enough to expand it can expand a tiny bit on the buttons so does not warp by being firmly attached to a cooler centre

The main difference is that floating rotors look nice.

TJ has the right answer. The "float" is the expansion of the steel disc due to heat, the alloy centre "guides" the disc, it is not a side-to-side float.

ransos has a good reason to "need" them 😉

and not as noisy, my m4s squeeled like a pig until until fitting floating roters and then silence, bliss!