Perhaps the most sickening post politics job award goes to Tom Watson – the tireless campaigner against gambling who now works for Paddy Power.

Nope, just keep asking who these people are who seem to run the world

It’s already been explained. Several times. If you haven’t been paying attention, that’s your problem, no-one else’s.

The best bit is that it was a response to Kerley which clearly triggered you

‘Triggered’! Lol! 😀

So basically, every Labour leader in recent history is actually wealthier than Corbyn? But what about ‘JC probably has more personal wealth than any labour leader’?

I don’t know about the comparatives, it was a statement that clearly doesn’t stand up when you start to think about it and I’m happy to be corrected, I’m not getting angry about it. It was pointed out it was rubbish and I agree

Have I committed a form of secular blasphemy by getting it wrong?. The assertion that JC is in effect a millionaire still stands unless someone can point to something that changes that

It’s already been explained. Several times. If you haven’t been paying attention, that’s your problem, no-one else’s.

Nope not helping me, I need it explaining again.

Is it the same lot that @Bliss goes on about or a different lot?

Nope not helping me, I need it explaining again.

Your admission of ignorance is at least a start, I suppose. It’s in this very thread. Go back and read it. Reading is wonderful; you can learn things. Might be a strange concept to you, but y’know, give it a go. You’ve certainly got nothing to lose.

it was a statement that clearly doesn’t stand up when you start to think about it

Like most of what you post on here then… 😉

I don’t know

No, you don’t, do you? Bless.

It’s in this very thread.

Should make it easy for you to cut and paste what you posted, you will know where it is.

It would, if I could be bothered. I can’t. And I don’t have to. It’s up to you if you want to stay ignorant or not.

Is this the enlightening bit about “them”

Are they the same lot that @Bliss goes on about?

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Who are they, I haven’t noticed any?

Very funny. 😀

And no, Israel is of no importance to the voters however much you would like to dream it was.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and just singing ‘la la la’ loudly, doesn’t make it any less real. I’ll forgive your ignorance regarding just how globally important Israel actually is (several aspects of your life are influenced by Israeli innovations and technology), but it’s a good idea to inform and educate yourself. Israel is of massive inmportance to he Labour leadership; this is why Starmer pledged allegiance to Zionism, and why he will not be at all critical of the actions of the Israeli regime. Israel relies on the support and validation of the West, in order to survive. So ties with any political party that potentially could be in power in the UK, are vital.

Israel might not be important to many voters, but it sure as hell is important to Labour. Why, they’ve even gone and employed an ex-Israeli spy, to manage their social media:

Assaf Kaplan will work in the office of Labour leader Keir Starmer, a source with knowledge of the hire said.Kaplan was in Israeli military intelligence for nearly five years, an officer in Unit 8200, its cyberwarfare branch.Unit 8200 specializes in spying, hacking and encryption. It carries out blackmail, mass surveillance and systematic discrimination against Palestinians.In 2014, a group of whistleblowers detailed how the unit spies on Palestinian civilians living under Israeli military occupation.

Israel is also very important to the tories, for balance:

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/high-level-israel-lobby-interference-british-politics-says-ex-minister

IE; Israel is important. Dismissing that fact just because you don’t want to ackknowledge it, just proves your own blinkered delusion.

Puppet masters eh…

Yes, puppet masters. And?

Posted 3 weeks ago

FFS this is tedious.

Is this the enlightening bit about “them”

So desperate, yet so wrong. I’ll just reiterate:

You really got bubkes, don’t you?

FFS this is tedious.

Tell me about it. Poor sod is so desperate to prove something he’s imagined, it’s become a crusade…

No I’m talking about clicking onto the thread hoping to read something vaguely interesting and instead finding more pointless point scoring.

So desperate, yet so wrong. I’ll just reiterate:

I wish you’d reiterate the bit about “them” so we know who you are talking about. You seem remarkably shy on reproducing it for those you keep refering to it.

I think SKS needs to update his website

https://keirstarmer.com/

pointless point scoring

Uh?

Conference could be lively

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-go-under-with-starmer-at-the-helm-says-outgoing-unite-boss-12379155

The crux is he has to have a transformation, Ernie is right in that he isn’t able to communicate passion and therefore doesn’t inspire, we can disagree as to why.

Trying to do this when someone has book sales based on taking him down is going to be a massive distraction.

And where is the successor? It’s easy to name potential replacements for Boris, the labour MPs seem invisible,

Where is Reeves on the economy? Sunak should be under pressure
Where is Nandy and Healey on Afghanistan, China,
Where is Lammy on justice other than opposing his own parties policy on deportation of serious criminals
What is Kate Greene’s plan for post Covid education and grade inflation
Anyone seen Jo Stevens talk about Facebook?
What is Pollard’s plan for farming subsidies?
Has Haigh said anything in public on NI since May?
What does McMahon think of HS3?
Has Thomas-Symonds said anything on GMP being in special measures?
Has Thornberry read a trade agreement yet?

Rayner has a complex private life, others were burnt in the last leadership campaign, who can step up and put Keir out of his misery?

Perhaps the most sickening post politics job award goes to Tom Watson – the tireless campaigner against gambling who now works for Paddy Power.

There’s quite a few of these type. Chris Leslie, Flip Flop Chukka – all enjoying post centrist MP ker-ching.

Rayner has a complex private life

And? Even if true can you explain what that has to do with her ability to lead the labour party?

who can step up and put Keir out of his misery?

Sometimes the simple and obvious answer is the correct answer. There isn’t anyone.

And? Even if true can you explain what that has to do with her ability to lead the labour party?

Just Google it, arguably it doesn’t stop her becoming leader but for some people it won’t play well. The attention it will garner will be a distraction and upsetting for the family.

If I’m wrong about the issue and it’s not true then she probably is the opposite of Starmer in terms of communicating her passion and becomes the leading pick subject to what Ken come out with in his book

Sometimes the simple and obvious answer is the correct answer. There isn’t anyone.

There must be someone, John Ashworth is OK, passionate, on his brief, gets on TV

There must be others..

Rayner shagging a married MP shouldn’t matter, but it would, not least because she’s a woman & mysoginy is a thing

Hancocks demise was a combo of his position of health secretary being untenable after being caught breaking the rules & the salacious press & public loving some moralising

Ironically Johnson having been far worse is all part of his personality!

John Ashworth is OK

Jesus wept!

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (+1)
LAB: 30% (-1)
LDEM: 13% (-)
GRN: 8% (+2)

via @IpsosMORI, 30 Jul – 09 Aug
Chgs. w/ Julhttps://t.co/11Xa9bkJMH

— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) August 12, 2021

Was that small blip in Starmer’s trajectory before he continues downwards?

Yougov also saying similar to ipsosmori today too.

Don’t see that changing until autumn either
Starmer still a passenger until covid played out.

I’m still waiting for Survation tho! 😁

😀

Lots of noise about Johnson jumping in on the Alpaca.

(Johnson riding it bareback into Chequers wouldn’t surprise me these days.)

There must be someone, John Ashworth is OK, passionate, on his brief, gets on TV

There must be others..

The thing is none of them are able to speak with any passion or conviction about anything, due to the fact that they don’t fundamentally differ from the government on anything substantial. They just have a default mode of moderately criticising the government and offering no real alternative, which sounds petty and unconvincing even to someone who detests the Tories.

Difficult to see anyone standing out within that.

Jesus wept!

The floor is open for other suggestions……

Richard Burgon isn’t allowed

The thing is none of them are able to speak with any passion or conviction about anything, due to the fact that they don’t fundamentally differ from the government on anything substantial.

I’m not sure why, I can find lots to differ about

The floor is open for other suggestions……

I’ve said many times Rayner or Burnham are the only candidates with the public profile and personality to put across a viable alternative that people can support. I don’t much like either as they’re a bit too careerist to challenge the status quo, but I do think they are sincere, and most importantly have strong opinions on the problems that exist and the potential solutions.

I can find lots to differ about

Grum used the words ‘fundamentally’ and ‘substantial’.

There’s a huge range of different opinions within the Tory Party, it doesn’t mean that those with different opinions fundamentally disagree on anything substantial.

For me most Labour politicians lack passion because they aren’t angry. And the reason they aren’t angry is because they have nothing to be angry about.

Wtf has Keir Starmer got to be angry about? He’s got a cushty job and he doesn’t fundamentally disagree with anything the Tories are doing. If he’s feeling particularly contrary he’ll order Labour MPs to abstain from a vote.

Wtf has Keir Starmer got to be angry about?

And that’s exactly why I think Rayner is the only realistic alternative as anger is her MO. She’d fire up the party in a way few others could with a tsunami of insults, swearing and aggression. I’ve said for a long time labour – even under Corbyn – show the tories far too much respect.

I wouldn’t have have said the same about Burnham until the pandemic showed he still has some reserves of passion and has huge support in the north.The main problem with him is he lost (massively) to Corbyn and isn’t in parliament.

Rayner shagging a married MP shouldn’t matter, but it would, not least because she’s a woman & mysoginy is a thing

It wouldn’t matter if they were a tory MP/leader as the press and Tories would ignore it. It matters if they are Labour as it is something to attack them on (by the press and the tories).

It is not a level playing field and never will be so Labour need to be cleaner. That is why Starmer was a good choice after Corbyn but unfortunately didn’t work and tend to agree with comments above that he has nothing to be angry about. A bit annoyed maybe as country not run exactly as he would like but not different enough to get angry about it. Could be the same underlying issue that always holds Liberals back?

Obviously Starmer comes across as passionless and boring… but beware the idea that “angry” would play well with the voters beyond the already converted. An angry socialist isn’t going to win over those wary of Labour at the last few lost elections. It could play well with new young voters… but we know that appealing to them isn’t yet enough to win (it might be after another 20 years of demographic change, but I hope Labour don’t wait for that).

Wtf has Keir Starmer got to be angry about? He’s got a cushty job

Being the leader of the labour party at the moment is probably far from cushy

Burnham flip flops under pressure so isn’t going to be an alternative

Rayner is the obvious choice but isn’t without flaws regardless of the private life

Being the leader of the labour party at the moment is probably far from cushy

Starmer will always have a cushty job, even after politics, he can’t fail. And btw I meant cushty not cushy.

beware the idea that “angry” would play well

You do realise that by angry I don’t mean losing your rag don’t you? I’m talking about an anger which feeds a passion, and that passion used in a constructive way to provide a vision which people can believe in.

Change occurs when people passionately believe in something.

An angry socialist isn’t going to win over those wary of Labour at the last few lost elections.

Given that the comatose centrist doesn’t seem to be doing too well, perhaps it’s time to try something different?

I wish you’d reiterate the bit about “them” so we know who you are talking about. You seem remarkably shy on reproducing it for those you keep refering to it.

If I thought you were genuinely interested in learning something, I’d make the effort. But it’s pretty clear that you’re not, so I won’t waste my time. You went and pulled one quote to try to make your argument, yet failed to provide full context. It’s clear you’re trying to only push one prejudiced agenda. And it’s clear that you’re only doing this, in order to try to undermine anything I might have to say. Because it doesn’t fit in with your own narrow world view. In sporting parlance, it’s called ‘playing the man, not the ball’. Just accept; you got it wrong, and move on. I’m bored with it, as I’m sure everyone else is too. Ask yourself what you have to gain by continuing this same stupid nonsense, that you know is nonsense anyway. To boost your own ‘credentials’? That ship sailed some time ago. Park your ego. And try to refrain from being a shmeckel, eh?

For me most Labour politicians lack passion because they aren’t angry. And the reason they aren’t angry is because they have nothing to be angry about.

Wtf has Keir Starmer got to be angry about? He’s got a cushty job and he doesn’t fundamentally disagree with anything the Tories are doing.

Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Starmer’s only really interested in continuing the neoliberal project which favours people like himself; he really cannot connect with other groups and views. He has no ability to channel the anger of other people, and use that as a weapon against the tories. Corbyn was far more effective at that, even though he abhors confrontation. For a renowned lawyer to shirk from an opportunity for a good battle, well, that’s indicative of someone who’s given up and has settled in for a comfortable life.

It’s clear you’re trying to only push one prejudiced agenda.

The ironing…..

Given that the comatose centrist doesn’t seem to be doing too well, perhaps it’s time to try something different?

Lmfao.

I always thought it odd that this wasn’t close to obvious from the start.

Sometimes the simple and obvious answer is the correct answer. There isn’t anyone.

Yup – the lack of talent at Westminster is so obvious. There is no one I know of in the labour party i would rather have – and no one who would do better I times of crisis incumbent governments always get a political boost no matter how well they are doing.

As for Corbyns wealth – he is only a millionaire if you count in the value of the house he lives in – the one house – not the multiple ones other mps have bought using expenses