Rudy Juliani – Oh dear!

Sorry – I wasn’t making a point about whether Giuliani “invented” RICO (which I am sure is nonsense) or brought the first RICO trial against organised criminals in NYC. Just responding to the suggestion that Giuliani was “just a lawyer”. There were many years of investigations and prosecutions, and much as I dislike him it’s not true that Giuliani was not involved in the investigating as well as the prosecuting.

RICO has been around for a long time it’s the charge they used against Howard marks for weed snuggling

Giuliani has been around for a long time! He was number three in the DoJ 7 years before Marks was even extradited.

Howard Marks was an arsehole even if he could write well.

Marks was pulled in from La I think thou.

Wikipedia says 1970 for Rico it aways seam like a catch all law if they wanted to get someone for criminal act with no real evidence then reco was your tool.

Rudi is still a pig regardless.

Rudy coffee – I’m guessing this goes the way of Trump steaks.

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1792318516101595210

Why do rich Yanks of a certain age look terrible in suits?

Assuming The Onion will do Rudy Coffins.

Bankruptcy case dismissed, should stop Rudy trying to hide his assets.

https://x.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1811837969143075123

Saw that. It won’t change his behavioiur or that of his acolytes/facilitators.

How does that saying about the dildo of consequences go again?

Rudy Giuliani disbarred in D.C., months after disbarment in New York

According to the book I read, the only reason that Giuliani became Trump’s attorney was because he’d work for free, and no one credible was prepared to do the job.

I am quite surprised he hasn’t turned on trump yet, I guess there must still be more money in keeping up the grift.

Does that mean he can no longer work as a lawyer?

Were they the only two places he was registered?

If so, then the grift will be turned up to 11!

Read a couple of things about this the other night- apparently it’s fairly easy to transfer jurisdictions/take the bar/do the UBE for about 2/3ds of states if you’re at least halfway competent, but there’s a definite unofficial downwards order. So you go “well I am too corrupt/stupid for California, but I can always move to Missouri” and then once you fail in Missouri you can always go “well kids we’re moving to Minnesota where they’ll let any huckster practice law.” But it’s also really easy to get disbarred from a second place once it happens in one, and some jurisdictions simply say “if you’ve been disbarred elsewhere you can’t register here”. And again that has a similiar unofficial pecking order, everyone knows who they look up to and down on.

But DC is more significant because it’s essentially “bottom-most respectable step”, getting disbarred from there is almost a symbolic thing, for a normal non-celebrity lawyer it’s the absolute end of your respectable career. Even in the lower jurisdictions you’ll always be recognised as a schmuck.

I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/rudy-giuliani-daughter-supports-harris

I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?

It seems that entire circle is very busy suing each other as they need the money to pay for thier own individual convictions and out of court settlements.

Total scum, the lot of them.

Juliani’s daughter has been quite a fierce critic of him and Trump for some time now. Not sure there’s enough folk actually wavering to listen and understand what she is saying though.

I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?

Juliani worked for him for free.

Actually worked for free? Or for free as far as the tax man and regulators are concerned…?

No one works for free.. Especially hot shot lawyers. There must have been some brown envelops passed under the table or some sort of equivalent… Unless Rudi is totally stupid..?

I can’t see him doing it just for ‘the exposure’ and adding trump to his CV…?

Giuliani didnt work for free by choice, just another of trumps gullible marks

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptcy-law/giuliani-says-trump-campaign-rnc-owe-him-2-million-in-fees

Especially hot shot lawyers.

Giuliani wasn’t a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn’t persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.

Well maybe not a hot shot lawyer in the conventional sense, but he can add taking down a lot of the new york mafia to his CV.

That’s definitely a thing, whether it was done ‘properly’ or ‘playing the game’ is probably a seperate conversation!

I thought a lot of the mafia take down was set in motion previously and he took the credit?

Giuliani wasn’t a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn’t persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.

Well, there was one decent law firm but Trump didn’t seem to notice they were there – they’ve done very well out if him, he hasn’t done so well out of them. And unlike anyone else that has dealt with Trump they’ve walked away scot free. No indictments, not jail time, not bankruptcy, no national laughing stock, no hawking vitamin supplements  –  Those are the hot shots lawyers.

Its come to light in the new deposition from Jack Smith that Rudy asked a legislator in Michigan to assist in overturning the election results “So it need you to pass a joint resolution from the Mitchigan Legislature that states that the election is in dispute and that theres an ongoing investigation”

How did this come to light – some sort of wire tap? A mole within the Trump campaign? Someone being flipped by the FBI?

Or – Rudy just texting the wrong number 🙂

What’s really quite funny is even within his own campaign, Rudy, Sydney Powel and co – the ‘Legal Experts’ that were driving the whole Stop the Steal thing were a laughing stock – Trump officials and aids had  to mute zoom calls with them to mask their laughter and the group are referred to collectively in the document as ‘The Star Wars Bar’

How did this come to light

The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages. Then they went through the list of co-conspirators and pointed out that they would be treated much more leniently if they told the truth and testified against the ones higher up the chain. The FBI have dozens of witnesses who will testify about the relevant conversations. The irony is that they are using the same playbook that was used to take down the mob when Rudy was a prosecutor.

How did this come to light
The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages.

Or in this case as above – Rudy saved them the trouble and just texted details of the scheme to the wrong number

Now Rudy is asking the court to not try to collect his $2m unpaid legal fees from Trump to help pay off his damages bill against the election workers. He knows that the only way out of the mess he’s got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1843757365264560428

He knows that the only way out of the mess he’s got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.

A presiden can pardon crimes and commute sentences…  But a pardon doesn’t overturn any awards for damages to victims – there was still a crime and a victim whether a pardon is issued or not – accepting a pardon is effectively an admission of guilt (you are free to reject a pardon if your are innocent of the crime in question) so it reinforces the award for damages to the victims, Trump can’t get Julliani off that particular hook

Reposting from the other thread

Rudy Giuliani must give control of luxury items and Manhattan apartment to Georgia election workers he defamed, judge rules

Jesus Christ, they’re even allowed to take his TV.

Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television

Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.

Jesus Christ, they’re even allowed to take his TV.

It definitely won’t have the Pornhub logo burnt into the screen im sure. 😉

Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.

I agree that the “including his TV” part is a weird inclusion.  Maybe it’s particularly valuable?  I assume there is just a “everything worth over $x” ruling and is based on the insured value?

In addition to the Trump campaign fees and the New York apartment, Giuliani must also turn over a collection of several watches, including ones given to him by European presidents after the September 11, 2001, attacks; a signed Joe DiMaggio jersey and other sports memorabilia; and a 1980 Mercedes once owned by the Hollywood star Lauren Bacall. Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television, items of furniture and jewelry.

Either way, I LOVE IT.  This is the same end I wish for Trump….. ruined and humiliated.

I agree that the “including his TV” part is a weird inclusion. Maybe it’s particularly valuable?

Yeah I guess it’s a bit like court bailifs in this county where they can take anything that’s of auctionable value, but not essentials like fridges or wherever.

A big top of the of the range OLED can easily be worth a couple of grand…so would be fair game.

Makes for a good news story though “and they even took his telly!”

He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)

Question:

If someone is declared bankrupt, all their assets belong to the creditors.

So what happens to unpaid credit / invoices? If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly, or does all outstanding money owed to him disappear as well as the money he owes?

If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly,

The administrators have already started going after money that Trump owes to Giuliani for legal fees. As I understand it, anyone who owes money to Rudy now owes it to the court appointed administrators, who will then use it to pay the victims and any other creditors.

There was a line in the BBC report that suggested the victims had “won” the money Trump owed him, but I couldn’t quite follow it properly.

There can also be an attachment to future earnings.

Remember when Neil Hamilton suddenly started appearing everywhere joined at the hip to his wife. Anything he earned was fair game to his creditors but her earnings werent subject to the same conditions so to get Neil you had to book Christine and he’d just happen to turn up. Gulianni split with his (3rd) wife  a few years ago though

He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)

Trump, or any president, can’t make this particular issue go away. You can pardon someones conviction but that pardon doesnt un-victim victims – any awards made by courts to victims still stand.