[Closed] Roadies whats your average speed?

Haha, I must have cheated! 😉

Here's a hundred miler at 22mph...

It's a big enough stretch mixing TT and roadbike rides

Ride London 2013 was incredibly quick, with large bunches of riders, virtually a road race by all accounts, but ok, that's legit. Of the others one is a TT, one is a 19mph average. What am I missing? 😕

I absolutely agree with amedias - I think it's off putting for anyone considering starting road riding when people post misleading things like that.

These are your words:

[b]For my ability, it's a good benchmark[/b] and forces me to press on no matter what the road is doing. I mostly [b]train [/b]solo.

[b]Chaingangs can easily creep towards 30mph average speed[/b] if you're riding with well-drilled lads...

For reference, [b]Cat 2/3 peloton fodder[/b], 23 min 10 and 56 min 25.

But none of that seems to actually be reflected in what you're posting. You seem to mainly ride in groups, at far less than 20mph, let alone "creeping towards 30mph". I've not seen any road racing at all from my brief sojourn through your Strava history!

Seriously, it's not that fast solo. If you are a decent club TT rider you'll be looking to at least get under an hour for a 25. Out recent club 25, the top 8 out of 27 all under an hour, so 25+mph. Ok this is on a TT bike with all the aero accompaniments but you'll still need 280+ watts for an hour (depending on how aero you are.) Winning time was 52:49 and I think he was doing over 360W.

I would definitely disagree, it is quick. Not denying you can do it, but it [i]is [/i]quick, you're definitely in a minority of riders if you can do a 20mph average without trying particularly hard.

I can do it for an hour or so, maybe two on my own, but it sure as hell isn't upper end of Z2!

Here's a hundred miler at 22mph...

I did the shortened 2014 one in horrendous conditions at 19.7 mph and I'm a crap roadie...

https://app.strava.com/activities/178150635

Seriously, it's not that fast solo. If you are a decent club TT rider you'll be looking to at least get under an hour for a 25. Out recent club 25, the top 8 out of 27 all under an hour, so 25+mph. Ok this is on a TT bike with all the aero accompaniments but you'll still need 280+ watts for an hour (depending on how aero you are.) Winning time was 52:49 and I think he was doing over 360W.

If you can do that then a not too lumpy 20mph solo for two or three hours is probably around high z2 / low z3. Not a huge effort.

I fully agree with you, but to be fair you are talking about very serious bike riders. 20mph [i]is[/i] a high average speed that very few riders achieve.

I was listening to Michael Hutchinson on the Bike Show the other week and thinking about having a go at his challenge to do 35km in an hour - which he said was the first hour record (set by Henri Desgrange on something much heavier than my road bike).

I would definitely disagree, it is quick. Not denying you can do it, but it is quick, you're definitely in a minority of riders if you can do a 20mph average without trying particularly hard.

I can do it for an hour or so, maybe two on my own, but it sure as hell isn't upper end of z2!

Agreed, it is a minority (in my example only 8 out of 27 riders went under an hour.) My view probably somewhat skewed by the people I ride and race with and follow on Strava. Though I think if you train seriously and race regularly then it's very much achievable.

Looking at rides done by club members on strava, by far the majority are around the 15-17 mph mark.

I could go on, but a) I've not got as much time on my hands as Njee and b), I'm just not that much of a bellend.

well If I may pick up the bellend crown...

Here's a hundred miler at 22mph...

Distance - 99.9mi
Elevation - 4,957ft
Avg Speed - 21.7mi/h

There's a 25...

dunno why Strava lists this as 20, GPS fail?
Distance - 20.7mi
Elevation - 223ft
Avg Speed - 22.7mi/h

Here's a lumpy 20 on the winter bike...

Distance - 19.9mi
Elevation - 856ft <-- lumpy?
Avg Speed - 19.0mi/h

That's 3 examples, cherry picked, versus the much bigger sample of random rides njee picked, and you were the one that said you aim for 20 on a normal ride, when it appears that in fact, the only examples over 20 are either short (<20miles) and flat, actual TT's, or events, not just a normal ride, and we all know that we ride faster when racing or at an event, can you see how this might erk some people?

I'm not trying to belittle your performance, your rides show a load of good stats and you're obviously pretty quick, especially the London ride, that's very impressive!

But it's just at odds with your original claim, and in the interests of keeping the data [b]genuine and useful[/b] to people perusing the post lets keep it factual.

If the thread had been about what you can do when racing or at a big event (presumably group riding?) then this would be a different discussion altogether.

I fully agree with you, but to be fair you are talking about very serious bike riders. 20mph is a high average speed that very few riders achieve.

Aye, that was my point, and even fewer achieve it comfortably in Z2 - I'd say you're into the top 10% of racers, who are probably the top 1% of ordinary riders.

This depressed me slightly last week:

[url= https://www.strava.com/activities/283995886 ]Wouter Sybrandy doing a 130 mph solo ride at 19.8, without trying all that hard[/url] and [url= https://www.strava.com/activities/283308846 ]trying a lot harder, and not as far, but still averaging 23.5mph on his tod.[/url]

Njee, it's time to sop being so silly! I've posted rides of 100 miles, 25 miles and 20 miles that are 20mph average speed. The one that is a fraction of an mph less is one through heavy traffic. I've not ridden chaingangs since I was forced to stop racing with a blood disorder, but if you look, you'll find them.

You're just making yourself look a complete twunt by trying to split hairs and pick fault in what I say.

You're even now accusing me of "misleading", that's not the case at all, and my strava account backs it up. As MrBlobbly said, I made it quite clear that 20mph was what I aim for. If I do a ride - in traffic and with stops for lights etc, and it's 19.5mph, I still consider that to be a success. Not because I'm trying to hoodwink some internet prick, but because I know that if I hadn't had to stop, the final figure would have been 20mph.
I'm not cheating myself or anyone else, because I'm not competing against anyone else. But if someone asks me what the average speed was, I'd say around 20mph, as I did earlier.

You've said that you couldn't hold 20mph for 2 hours, so you're clearly not very quick. I've posted actual proof that I can for over 4 and a half hours and cover 100 miles at a speed significantly higher than 20mph.

You can't do that, and you can never dream of doing that. I understand that you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about this, and to a certain extent, why you might feel motivated to try and do down other people's achievements.

But to be honest, it comes across like a man with a 4" cock questioning the measuring technique of the bigger lads.

Njee, it's time to sop being so silly! I've posted rides of 100 miles, 25 miles and 20 miles that are 20mph average speed.

No, you haven't!

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You've said that you couldn't hold 20mph for 2 hours, so you're clearly not very quick. I've posted actual proof that I can for over 4 and a half hours and cover 100 miles at a speed significantly higher than 20mph.

Life's too short to argue with you, but I said that I could probably do 20mph on my own for 2 hours, on the road. I'm not impressed that you could sit in for a reputedly very very fast ride for 4 hours!

It is getting a bit silly now. I believe njee20 to be rather quick (and very honest!)

Wouter Sybrandy doing a 130 mph solo ride at 19.8, without trying all that hard and trying a lot harder, and not as far, but still averaging 23.5mph on his tod.

That is bloody impressive!

I understand that you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about this

Of the two of you, you're the one coming across as the one with the chip and only one of you has called the other names.

But if someone asks me what the average speed was, I'd say around 20mph, as I did earlier.

And all that's going on here is someone questioning whther that is correct, and based on the available data, you've over-estimated by a couple of mph, except for a few particular rides, this is about averages remember?

I've posted actual proof that I can for over 4 and a half hours and cover 100 miles at a speed significantly higher than 20mph

In a big group ride on a not very hilly course.

You can't do that, and you can never dream of doing that

This isn't about what other people say they can do, and at no point has he claimed he can go faster than you, stop trying to turn this around and attack, people are questioning the validity of [i]your[/i] statement based on the available data, and it's not adding up.

That's 3 examples, cherry picked, versus the much bigger sample of random rides njee picked

Njee picked a ride with a sick bloke, a ride home after a time trial, a mountain bike ride, and the first ride back after being hospitalised with Lyme disease!

people are questioning the validity of your statement based on the available data, and it's not adding up.

And what was my original statement? That I aim for 20mph. I've posted proof that I can achieve it. My results show that not all rides do, they also show that there are rides that are done at recovery pace. But if I achieve it regularly (ignoring mountain bike rides, recovery rides, rides home and rides with sick fellas), how the hell can my statement be wrong???

A quick squint through my Strava history I did come up with [url= https://www.strava.com/activities/66369838 ]this[/url], 43.7 miles, only 1,900ft of climbing, but 20.0mph average. Quite possibly a bit of wind assistance, so not hugely fair, but it was also from the City, so a lot of traffic and lights to contend with. Taking the bit from Epsom to home, so including the North Downs was 20.9mph. 21.5mph from Dorking - so excluding the Downs completely.

Legs feel a bit shit today, but I now have a 20 mile route home planned, see if I can muster a 20 for an hour at least!

Njee picked a ride with a sick bloke, a ride home after a time trial, a mountain bike ride, and the first ride back after being hospitalised with Lyme disease!

You're still missing the point though. You had the choice of any ride in your Strava history, anything at all, and you chose a TT, a group ride and a ride where you were actually 5% under your claimed speed.

I told you I chose rides completely at random from the last year, and none of them were anything like 20mph. We're not splitting hairs over 19.5 being rounded up or anything. I posted 8 rides with a combined average of 16.5 mph.

He picked a few more than that, 8 I think it was...

So you make excuses for 3, ignore 5 and then go find what appears to be 3 of your quickest rides.

And what was my original statement? That I aim for 20mph. I've posted proof that I can achieve it

Aiming for it is one thing, I could aim for 30, I would achieve it (briefly) on some flats and downhill, but this is about averages, you've shown that on a few occasions you've done some rides at that (and above), but this is nothing like a representative 'average', which is what the thread is about , and how your original post was worded.

If the question had been:

"what's an example of some of the quickest average speeds you've achieved on rides"

Then you'dbe more on the money, but if you truly were averaging 20mph then [i]most[/i] of your rides, ie: a significant number, would be well over > 20mph, and quite a lot around 20mph.

Fundamentally 20mph is NOT your average speed, it's a speed you can achieve and exceed over some rides and in some conditions, but it is NOT your average, aiming for it is great, but be clear about it, it's NOT your average and for someone asking about what average speeds are like it's not helpful to say it is.

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...Inevitably, folk will pick their "best" average for willy-waving purposes.

If your willy is big enough there's no need to wave it to attract admiring attention. 🙂

I'm not impressed that you could sit in for a reputedly very very fast ride for 4 hours!

Ride London 2013 was *staggeringly* fast for a sportive.

I'm just yer average mid-40s recreational fair-weather rider (never raced on the road) and I was five minutes quicker than gatsby that day 😆

No way I'd hold anything like that pace over anything like that distance on my own though.

Amedias, I got bored. But just for you, let me talk you through the remaining 4.

Another mountain bike ride; a 30 mile group ride with a 5 mile warm-up and a 5mile recovery spin averaging 18mph for the lot; a cafe ride on a day when only one other rider turned up due to the horrific weather; and a social ride with the rugby club.

So no, not really representative - I'd say they were rather carefully cherry picked!

So no, not really representative - I'd say they were rather carefully cherry picked!

They really weren't. Completely at random. Which were the MTB rides? Just post a bloody link to a ride where you, on your own, have averaged 20mph for more than an hour?

Do I need to go and get another load at random!? We may hit gold eventually.

...it comes across like a man with a 4" cock questioning the measuring technique of the bigger lads.

So no, not really representative - I'd say they were rather carefully cherry picked!

As were yours 😉

Seriously, it's not that fast solo. If you are a decent club TT rider you'll be looking to at least get under an hour for a 25. Out recent club 25, the top 8 out of 27 all under an hour, so 25+mph. Ok this is on a TT bike with all the aero accompaniments but you'll still need 280+ watts for an hour (depending on how aero you are.) Winning time was 52:49 and I think he was doing over 360W.

If you can do that then a not too lumpy 20mph solo for two or three hours is probably around high z2 / low z3. Not a huge effort. (This is assuming good position, as over 18mph I think about 80% of power goes into overcoming wind resistance. I think most people could improve their averages just by addressing this, certainly those relatively new to road bikes.)

I posted something very similar during this same sort of discussion a year or two back and got shot down by a bunch of people who didn't want to accept that they're slower than their ego thinks they are 🙄

You're still not getting it though!

We get that there are [b]reasons [/b]why some of your rides are less, and that on a TT, or in a race or a big sportive etc. that you cna achieve over 20mph average, the point is that normal rides, training, club runs, solo rides, cruising, exploring, commuting etc. are not at that speed, it is NOT your average speed, nor is it the average speed of your rides.

Just post [b]a[/b] bloody link to a ride where you, on your own, have averaged 20mph for more than an hour

I think more than 1 would be good 😉

And this isn't about ego (certainly not for me, and I don't think for anyone else either), I fully accept that I'm slower than lots of people, probably slower than you too, but this is about keeping information accurate and useful, and not letting skewed examples and inflated claims distort it.

the longer this goes on, the more biscuits I'm eating, the slower I'm getting...

I posted something very similar during this same sort of discussion a year or two back and got shot down by a bunch of people who didn't want to accept that they're slower than their ego thinks they are

I do think there's a distinction between saying "that can't be done", and "that [i]is [/i]fast". I'm firmly in the latter camp - folk need to stop being modest and take a bit of praise, smashing out 20mph averages is quick!

Maybe we need a new thread titled "Roadies what's your aspirational speed?"

the longer this goes on, the more biscuits I'm eating, the slower I'm getting...

Racing fuel 😉

BISCUITS MAKE YOU SLOWER!? WHAAAAAAAT.

Blimey, it's all getting a bit ....

But you'll always get some bellend that pulls you up

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[url= https://www.strava.com/activities/151508671 ]Example[/url]

My solo evening loop that crops up quite regularly.

The mountain bike rides are the ones that were on the Cotic Soul. That's a mountain bike. Guild Wheel and Clockwise were both mountain bike rides.

Sh*t, just had a Tunnocks caramel biscuit!

"that can't be done", and "that is fast".

FWIW, trying to put some numbers on this. I reckon you need to be around 3.8 w/kg or above (assuming a bloke of around 73kg) to comfortably knock out a couple of z3 hours at 20+ mph (again assuming aero is ok, not much wind, rolling course.) So going to [url= ]the chart[/url] that's about cat 3 and above. Not that remarkable.

And this isn't about ego

Njee Bengee is world class at this level of pathological obsessional creepiness.

FWIW, trying to put some numbers on this. I reckon you need to be around 3.8 w/kg or above (assuming a bloke of around 73kg) to comfortably knock out a couple of z3 hours at 20+ mph

IIRC that's what I was last time I tested, in February when nicely unfit, I need to be more aero 🙁

I need to be more aero

Might be stating the obvious but aero is huge on the road bike. Reckon most people could up their average significantly just by working on moving towards a more aero position. Just try simple things like dropping your head and hunching your shoulders, trying to get narrow. You might not be able to make quite as much power but your speed will go up.

Might be stating the obvious but aero is huge on the road bike. Reckon most people could up their average significantly just by working on moving towards a more aero position.

I've always been better climbing than churning out speed on the flat, I'm not not aero, but could probably be better (couldn't we all). I always go better (comparatively) when the road tips upward though.

mtbel, at least gatsby has provided some evidence to support his claims 🙂

I've always been better climbing than churning out speed on the flat

That's cos you're fairly small. As a fat knacker, it's the other way round for me 🙂

W/kg makes naff all difference on the flat - it's all about the W I reckon.

I just remembered 3 or 4 weeks ago that I ****ing hate roadies so I'm bowing out of your pathetic competition.

Gatsby seems a good lad though.

I just remembered 3 or 4 weeks ago that I **** hate roadies so I'm bowing out of your pathetic competition.

Shame you chose to "enter" it at all really Gary. Don't let the door hit you on the way out now. Good lad.

This all boils down to how flat the rides in question are. In some parts of the country a flat ride is properly flat, with maybe 100m of climbing in 20 or 30 miles. In others, what constitutes a flat ride is more like 500m over that distance.

And that makes a huge difference to average speed.

As previously mentioned, when I had a long flat 30k commute with one hill and some traffic lights in - to average 33.6kph my *typical* flat speed had to be around 42kph just to counter that one short hill the junctions, and a couple of lights. If you consider 42kph on the flat to be fairly easy then fair play, you are fast.

it's not me, but your door you should be worried about wee guy 😉

W/kg makes naff all difference on the flat - it's all about the W I reckon.

Does make some difference, accelerating, aero, etc. If I can get lighter without losing power then I'm usually quicker. But, yes, on flat courses it's heavily biased towards the watts. I think we're talking typical rolling terrain though (whatever that means.)

Sorry but pathetically, stalking is ALWAYS about ego..

nah, it's really not, it's about pulling someone up when they can't/won't support their claims, or their claims distort the thread.

Plenty of people quicker than me that I ride with, I love having faster people to try and spur me on and drag me home when needs be, and some of them are [i]properly [/i]quick, and I can be blowing out my arse when they're cruising and nattering away, I'm in awe of how fast some guys are, but it needs to be put in context, fast guys are fast, average guys aren't, and for someone starting out or looking for info it's important to be able to clarify what is what, where terrain comes into play, where groups affect speeds, and which numbers come from quicker than average people and which are a result of the circumstances.

Njee Bengee is world class at this level of pathological obsessional creepiness.

yeah, but everyone knows you two don't get on 😉

The link I posted has just shy of 300m of climbing in 20 miles. I call it my 20-20 TT as I always aim to complete it in an hour. If I hit traffic, or a strong headwind on the outward leg, I work harder to pull it back.

This is what I was referring to when I said "I aim to do 20mph".

To date, apart from traffic snarl-ups and a puncture, I don't think I've ever failed on that route. If it takes me an hour and 2 mins, and I've got stopped by every set of traffic lights, I'm not going to self flagellate, because I know I've still ridden it as well as I'm capable. On a clear run, if I was dropping to 18mph, I'd be worried that I was losing form.

The climbs are long drags, not too steep, so suit me better than short sharp stabs, but 300m in 20 miles is far from flat, a point questioned by Njee. If he's ever in the northwest, I'd love to see if he can get round it in less than an hour. 😉

To date, apart from traffic snarl-ups and a puncture, I don't think I've ever failed on that route.

[url= https://app.strava.com/activities/271310358 ]You mean except the one you posted earlier, where you did 19mph[/url]?

a point questioned by Njee

Nope, don't think I did. I wouldn't say that 900ft in 20 miles is flat. It's rolling I'd say, which I believe is what you said.

If he's ever in the northwest, I'd love to see if he can get round it in less than an hour.

Gladly have a punt! And if I do...?

I get on with everyone. haven't ever met Njee.

no one other than you two are actually looking for info from this ridiculously dull thread, trust me.

I never understand these threads, all the willy waving. Never anything to be gained. Just go out and ride ffs! if you want to know how quick you are, do a race.

On a similar note, why do testers always wish to go to the fastest course, on a bank holiday so they can draft caravans down a -3% dual carriage way and claim they do xx.xx for ten miles? Time trialling ie individual effort against others, marginal gains, perfect bike set up etc I understand. Kidding yourself into thinking you are a fast I don't.

no one other than you two are actually looking for info from this ridiculously dull thread, trust me.

If I could go out on my bike right now instead I would - trust me!

no one other than you two are actually looking for info from this ridiculously dull thread, trust me.

So you opened the thread, commented that you were leaving, have contributed nothing, and you're still posting. Despite it being 'dull'. You're a waste of bandwidth you really are.

Kidding yourself into thinking you are a fast I don't.

Trouble is that it's a 'stock' question among testers isn't it - what's your PB? Why wouldn't you want the fastest possible PB? I can (sort of) see the appeal of going to a fast course. It's not really any different to using aero bars or deep section wheels - it's all speed that comes from something other than your legs!

To be fair, I've found it highly entertaining. mtbel's 'contribution' is a little confusing though.

FWIW i'm quite happy with 12mph whatever bike i'm on 😆

Here's my willy waving 17mph average over 230 miles and 10k feet (although I'm not entirely sure that's right) - https://www.strava.com/activities/194190672 granted with a couple of others from the club. Most of my commutes tend to be around the 15 -16 mph depending on the route I take recently I've been doing 1200 - 1500 feet of up in 17.8 miles at an average of 16 ish. Wuwu~

Njee, as I said, if I've got to spend 5 minutes picking my way through a traffic jam and get home 1hr 2mins after I set off, I'm still happy that I've ridden at an average of 20mph. It usually means I have to work harder on the second half, so my power output would be roughly the same at a sub hour without traffic.

I described it as lumpy, you questioned it.

If you got round that course in less than an hour, I'd be impressed that such an irritating little southerner could ride it as fast as me and I'd point you in the direction of a good pub where you could buy yourself a pint. On your own.

Saynotobasemiles, part of the attraction of testing is is the tinkering with equipment and position. I've recently got a TT bike so I'm quite enjoying trying different things to improve position etc.

I'm not a fan of drag strip courses though, I prefer loops or sporting courses because as you say, I don't think there's much achievement in a fast one-way time with a tailwind.

I've found it highly entertaining

that's all I ever want from STW, and it rarely disappoints!

All hail the Bandwidth king... throttling STRAVA D/L speeds 24/7

😆

I described it as lumpy, you questioned it.

Did I? I genuinely don't think I did.

If you got round that course in less than an hour, I'd be impressed that such an irritating little southerner could ride it as fast as me

Modest fella aren't you!?

Here's my willy waving 17mph average over 230 miles and 10k feet (although I'm not entirely sure that's right)

That's worthy of a "chapeau"!

mtbel has joined a thread, 8 pages in, to criticize someone he has history with for stalking behaviour. What could be confusing about that!

as for the rest of the thread, it's interesting to see how you compare and there are clearly some very fast people out there. Not saying that because they're quicker than me - it's not difficult - but it's interesting just how much quicker they are. But then that's when the arguing started, isn't it...

Trouble is that it's a 'stock' question among testers isn't it - what's your PB? Why wouldn't you want the fastest possible PB?

It is usually followed by a question about which course it was on (and what the winning time was too). Plenty of gift courses out there and testers tend to know which they are and will judge your response accordingly 🙂

Here's my willy waving 17mph average over 230 miles and 10k feet

Now that is a ride worthy of a willy wave!

njee20- I think the marginal gains aspect, aero wheels, aero lid, fast tyres etc is great and part of the attraction of the sport. But some plonker who had a float day on a fast course dropping his pb into every conversation makes me laugh. Did you win or podium and against who is a better reflection.

but 300m in 20 miles is far from flat

That's quite flat by my standards.

But some plonker who had a float day on a fast course dropping his pb into every conversation makes me laugh. Did you win or podium and against who is a better reflection.

That said... if I was doing a short 21 (say) on a local course I'd be off to the fastest course in all the land and hoping for a still day!

Many do. But what then? It's much like any sort of racing where the fun is getting to know the people you compete against and seeing how you go against them on various courses, trying to get faster. Just having a big PB on a gift course doesn't actually make you any faster. I guess it's back to willy waving 🙂

That's quite flat by my standards.

I'd grade rides as Flat, Lumpy and Hilly.

300m in 20 miles is lumpy. Not hilly, not flat, lumpy.

[i]Here's my willy waving 17mph average over 230 miles and 10k feet [/i]

You wave that willy!!

There was nothing on the telly, right? 😉

where are all these 20mph+ riders ? I pootle around 14mph (maybe 15 on a good day with the right wind) I've done over 1500 road miles this year not been passed by anyone 😕

Just having a big PB on a gift course doesn't actually make you any faster.

True, it's completely psychological, and like I say, it's a bit like all the kit advantages. If you go and buy a TT bike you don't get any faster, but you do. If you know what I mean!

Qualifying which course it's on isn't really any different to having to say what bike you did it on.

I think the novelty of driving for hours to ride for 20 minutes would fast wear off for me!

ditto.
but only been passed by blimmin e-bikes doing 16mph with someone barely twiddling the pedals with either clown-style foot positioning or tips of toes on pedals (surely that must cramp)

where are all these 20mph+ riders ? I pootle around 14mph (maybe 15 on a good day with the right wind) I've done over 1500 road miles this year not been passed by anyone

Have a look at the web page of your local cycling club. Check out the TT results. Have a look at the regular names in the top 10. Search for them in Strava. Have a look at their rides. Have a look at who they follow (probably be some cat2/cat3 racers.) It's pretty easy to figure out who the faster riders in your area are.

True, it's completely psychological, and like I say, it's a bit like all the kit advantages. If you go and buy a TT bike you don't get any faster, but you do. If you know what I mean!

Yeah, I thought this, but with kit it's more about having a level playing field with the folk you race against.

I think also, as MrBlobby alluded to earlier, you can learn a lot about what works for you from trying to get more aero and that understanding helps general riding and racing.

I find TTing very good for pedaling technique and discipline.

[i]Have a look at the web page of your local cycling club. Check out the TT results. Have a look at the regular names in the top 10. Search for them in Strava. Have a look at their rides. Have a look at who they follow (probably be some cat2/cat3 racers.) It's pretty easy to figure out who the faster riders in your area are.[/i]

Worrying levels of internet stalkerishness right there... 😆

Worrying levels of internet stalkerishness right there...

Haha, just to clarify that is not what I do! Just knowing most of the faster riders in my area through club and racing, that would be one way of finding them.

300m climbing in 20miles is pretty flat, even for a southern softy like me.

Njee - I'm not getting into the argument but I live and ride in the same area as gatsby ( my name has even appeared on some of the segs of the rides he's linked, near the top, obviously 😉 ) and some of the averages he's quoting are perfectly doable.

Andy, Njee's not disputing that they're doable, he's just going through my rides, finding all the recovery rides, rides on novelty bikes, rides with sick children etc, and using those to refute my claim that I aim for 20mph and often succeed.

I think it's a southern thing!

And thanks for the kudos, you've got some good times there!

some of the averages he's quoting are perfectly doable.

Of course they are, I've never said anything to the contrary. Thing is... he's not doing them!

As planned, [url= https://www.strava.com/activities/284717077 ]had a bit of a go on the way home[/url], not totally circular as I didn't work from home, but a relatively stiff southerly/south easterly breeze meant a lot of time in the wind. Flat, with less than 600ft of climbing, but not a total shocker.

It can be done! 🙂

Btw, no power data njee? Is the PowerTap well and truly dead?

I've posted various rides at 20mph, I'm really now at a loss as to what exactly you're disputing!

Isn't it time to stop being silly?

Last time this came up I went out and tried to bag a 20mph. I failed by a small amount - I worked out that a 30 second wait at some lights was enough to cost me a 20mph average. That's really all it takes.

That's my point molgrips. And seeing as it's not a time trial, if I asked you how fast you went and you told me 20mph, I wouldn't trawl through your Strava account and try to humiliate you as a liar and a charlatan. I'd let you call it 20mph... The cycling equivalent of a golfer's gimme.

Only a bellend would split hairs.

I reckon a psychiatrist would have a field day with Gatsby. For someone so adamant about their own capabilities and with such an easy tool at their disposal (Strava) to prove it, there is a damning lack of evidence.

An admirable quantity of hot air and bluster for no conceivable benefit. What would the internet be without him eh?